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edition july 8 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is fade to black with your host

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167 days into the new year

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somewhere in the middle of beautiful

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downtown burbank california and i would

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this is fade to black for kjcr the game

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i am your host jimmy church what is

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we got a very very big

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tonight

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we're going to be talking about those

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recent davis wilson document leak

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that's right

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and a whole lot of other stuff tonight

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that we are going to cover with dr greer

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concerning these leaks and what may be

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so we'll be doing that tonight

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tomorrow night right here

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is our disclosure fest special event

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disclosure fest of course is going down

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this saturday in downtown los angeles at

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the los angeles historic state park

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that'll be downtown and tomorrow night

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our special guests are nasim haraman

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jason quit billy carson michael

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and of course my guest host is adrian

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valera so that is tomorrow night

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wednesday night

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been silent uh since january as we all

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and now that they are out in public

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so wednesday night grant cameron is here

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is going to give us the inside story to

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of the davis wilson ufo

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tonight is dr stephen greer

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last week a major document leak was

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exposed to the ufo community the

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admiral thomas wilson that took place in

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a car behind the e g g building in las

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vegas dr stephen greer is featured a

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couple of times in the document having

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april 1997 and the subject at that

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meeting was ufos tonight our guest is dr

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greer and we're going to discuss the

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document the pentagon meeting and how

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the ufo question to the public

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of course dr stephen greer md is the

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founder of the disclosure project the

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intelligence assisted the orion project

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and serious technology advanced research

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llc his national press club disclosure

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event in may 2001 and the webcast had

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000 people waiting online the largest

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webcast in the history of the national

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press club up to that time he has worked

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scientists the inventors and the leaders

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technology and energy systems he's also

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documentary serious and unacknowledged

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and his latest film unacknowledged an

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expose of the greatest secret in human

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angeles i attended back in april 2017

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and is one of the most watched

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documentaries of the last two years his

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ce5film.com you need to go and check

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that out the links are at jimmy church

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radio and i would like to welcome back

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to fade to black dr stephen greer dr

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greer good evening how are you

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i'm doing great how are you it's uh good

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to hear your voice nice and clear

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tonight i guess the agencies cleared the

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change uh exciting times uh right now dr

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so much to discuss tonight so let's get

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straight to it in that uh the documents

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correct there are few errors for example

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on the first page of people who are

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reading along i mean uh admiral wilson

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uh was sharing i i think with davis some

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agency that's referred to

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particularly the usaps unacknowledged

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that as you can see through the memo

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the operations even though legally he

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that i had briefed had similarly

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young doctor i had no idea that there

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head of the defense intelligence agency

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which those of you don't who may not

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which um admiral wilson didn't have a

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lot of detail on because it happened

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provided a briefing by me prior to my

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arrival he made specific inquiries

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from general hughes he was

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there was nothing there and he was given

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no information so

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in 2001 we made the legal argument

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no matter what your security clearance

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has been and what non-disclosure

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agreements you have signed

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may reveal that information

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to the public without penalty of law

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because the projects themselves are in

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fact illegal enterprises now when i said

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the beautiful thing about this document

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is that it confirms what i've been

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saying for 25 years that these these

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senior folks that we've been dealing

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with most of them want to stay off the

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radar screen you can tell admiral wilson

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if you read between the lines here it's

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not that hard to read

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didn't want to to get involved any

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further because he was threatened with

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being busted down to a one star right

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because of of his inquiries and we'll

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talk about that in a moment i know of

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another case that's even more shocking

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than this one that i haven't told the

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public about yet let me let me jump let

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me jump in on one point uh it has

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been

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uh

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i would say

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not quite officially but we are

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confident in stating

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that those documents that you are in

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possession of now the leaked documents

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came from edgar mitchell's files

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so

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that

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while uh edgar uh ed mitchell was

302
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involved with nids he knew eric davis i

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think at some point i had met this man i

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can't recall

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at a meeting with some uh spooks um

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there in washington

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but um that helps with the provenance

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you know where anybody is going to

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scream that you know this was generated

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by you know somebody as a hoax

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that oh it's no hoax i mean i was at the

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meeting and i knew the background and

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the people that admiral wilson had

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spoken to right and i have letters in my

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archives and how this meeting was set up

316
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from commander miller who who had a top

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secret clearance and had been in usaps

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but not this particular one dealing with

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ufos

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um and you know i can prove this happens

321
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i've been saying that you know i'm not

322
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one of the problems with the ufo

323
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subculture is that there's so much

324
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fantasy and myth out there but i don't

325
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make stuff up

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you know jimmy i mean this is this just

327
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confirms what we've been saying for

328
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two decades

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uh but yes i i could see that this would

330
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be something that edgar might have

331
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gotten a copy of and then it got leaked

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out of his archives i honestly don't

333
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know how it came about i like all i can

334
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do is say it is substantially correct

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um except for a few muddled things here

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from the notes that were made

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and

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you know it it pretty much confirms

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i think the more shocking parts of it

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are further on in the memo

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uh where

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the extent to which the admiral was

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denied access his rage and anger at it

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people couldn't read it carefully right

345
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and then the fact that that if he had

346
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pursued pushing on this

347
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he was being threatened with having his

348
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rank reduced down to a one star and that

349
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he you know that there were serious

350
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threats leveled at him so

351
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this is done quite frequently

352
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unfortunately i've been on the inside of

353
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uh meeting with it's now over 950

354
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military and intelligence guys like

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admiral wilson over the last 25 years

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and

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it's been devastating for me personally

358
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it's shocking uh most of these people

359
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will never go on the record

360
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with how

361
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frightening and illegal this cabal of

362
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sociopaths are that run these programs

363
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admiral wilson never wanted this to be

364
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known he was saying this in a car

365
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i'm sure he never thought this would see

366
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the light of day and here it is well and

367
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the only good part of this is that it

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confirms it confirms

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the underlying uh

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assessment

371
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that we've been making and sharing with

372
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the pope for 25 years although it's been

373
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very hard to get people of this rank

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like admiral wilson

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to say yeah this quite bluntly is what's

376
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going on i was illegally

377
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kept from getting the information i was

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threatened

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uh

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in my pursuit of it etc and so on and

381
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that's a very common refrain and this is

382
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one of the

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methods of how

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the national security apparatus that are

385
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in these

386
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very super secret black unacknowledged

387
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special access projects how they operate

388
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and it's intimidating even to someone

389
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with as higher rank as he had i mean

390
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remember this was he had the the j2

391
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position at the pentagon admiral wilson

392
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was the head of intelligence joint

393
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chiefs of staff so

394
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you know and that's why i you know i i i

395
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learned that prior to the meeting let me

396
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give you this little vignette but you

397
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can imagine i put all this stuff

398
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together i get it

399
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sent over to the admiral prior to the

400
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the the briefing that we're doing at the

401
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pentagon

402
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and

403
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i find out prior to the meeting that the

404
00:16:12,310 --> 00:16:10,720
admiral had made inquiries and gotten

405
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hold of

406
00:16:17,509 --> 00:16:14,560
some one of these saps

407
00:16:18,949 --> 00:16:17,519
on usaps and and was told he didn't have

408
00:16:20,389 --> 00:16:18,959
a need to know

409
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and uh you know why the way it was

410
00:16:24,790 --> 00:16:22,399
explained to me was you know he said

411
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well you know how can i not have a need

412
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to know i'm the head of intelligence

413
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joint chiefs of staff

414
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and they said sir i'm sorry you know

415
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we cannot discuss this with you and and

416
00:16:38,710 --> 00:16:35,279
you are not to inquire about this

417
00:16:40,470 --> 00:16:38,720
further and they cut him cut him off and

418
00:16:42,389 --> 00:16:40,480
subsequently threatened him so by the

419
00:16:45,030 --> 00:16:42,399
time i got to the meeting with the

420
00:16:47,829 --> 00:16:45,040
admiral at the pentagon

421
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with edgar mitchell and commander miller

422
00:16:53,670 --> 00:16:52,000
the admiral was visibly upset but also

423
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frightened and

424
00:16:59,269 --> 00:16:57,360
it's one of those these stories where

425
00:17:01,030 --> 00:16:59,279
i want to listen very carefully to this

426
00:17:03,189 --> 00:17:01,040
before people you know we get too far

427
00:17:04,470 --> 00:17:03,199
into the weeds

428
00:17:06,150 --> 00:17:04,480
the meeting was supposed to be 45

429
00:17:07,429 --> 00:17:06,160
minutes a stand-up briefing that i

430
00:17:08,949 --> 00:17:07,439
prepared

431
00:17:10,710 --> 00:17:08,959
he was so

432
00:17:12,630 --> 00:17:10,720
concerned and interested in the detail

433
00:17:13,750 --> 00:17:12,640
of the documents evidence information we

434
00:17:16,710 --> 00:17:13,760
were presenting

435
00:17:19,429 --> 00:17:16,720
he then kept cancelling appointments

436
00:17:20,949 --> 00:17:19,439
after the time limit was up and we went

437
00:17:23,189 --> 00:17:20,959
on for i don't know two or three hours

438
00:17:24,789 --> 00:17:23,199
edgar mitchell had to go to a interview

439
00:17:26,870 --> 00:17:24,799
or something in new york and had to

440
00:17:28,950 --> 00:17:26,880
leave and that's really what broke it up

441
00:17:30,549 --> 00:17:28,960
after edgar left because it was had gone

442
00:17:33,669 --> 00:17:30,559
on so long the admiral had been had

443
00:17:34,710 --> 00:17:33,679
canceled one or two meetings subsequent

444
00:17:37,830 --> 00:17:34,720
to this

445
00:17:40,150 --> 00:17:37,840
and at the end of it i asked the admiral

446
00:17:43,510 --> 00:17:40,160
if he would help us get this back under

447
00:17:44,830 --> 00:17:43,520
control so this information could be run

448
00:17:47,510 --> 00:17:44,840
legally

449
00:17:48,630 --> 00:17:47,520
constitutionally and he turned to me he

450
00:17:50,230 --> 00:17:48,640
said

451
00:17:51,669 --> 00:17:50,240
i have made inquiries and they won't

452
00:17:54,070 --> 00:17:51,679
tell me anything

453
00:17:56,390 --> 00:17:54,080
and the best thing i know about is a b-2

454
00:17:59,270 --> 00:17:56,400
stealth bomber and this group has things

455
00:18:01,110 --> 00:17:59,280
that can do circles around that and it's

456
00:18:03,270 --> 00:18:01,120
point set match he says i can't do

457
00:18:05,590 --> 00:18:03,280
anything about it and then he turned to

458
00:18:08,950 --> 00:18:05,600
me and he pointedly said i'll never

459
00:18:11,029 --> 00:18:08,960
forget this moment this chilling he says

460
00:18:13,190 --> 00:18:11,039
as far as i'm concerned

461
00:18:16,070 --> 00:18:13,200
this operation is illegal

462
00:18:18,789 --> 00:18:16,080
it is not sanctioned and if you and the

463
00:18:21,430 --> 00:18:18,799
people you're working with can disclose

464
00:18:24,549 --> 00:18:21,440
this information to the public you have

465
00:18:28,150 --> 00:18:24,559
my blessing to do it but i have gone as

466
00:18:30,710 --> 00:18:28,160
far as i can and i've been stopped now a

467
00:18:33,510 --> 00:18:30,720
lot of people told me did anyone in in a

468
00:18:35,669 --> 00:18:33,520
high official capacity greenlight the

469
00:18:37,110 --> 00:18:35,679
disclosure project i said you better

470
00:18:38,549 --> 00:18:37,120
believe they did it's the head of

471
00:18:41,110 --> 00:18:38,559
intelligence or the joint chiefs of

472
00:18:43,510 --> 00:18:41,120
staff admiral tom wilson go back and

473
00:18:46,390 --> 00:18:43,520
listen to some of my my presentations

474
00:18:49,190 --> 00:18:46,400
over the years i've said that for years

475
00:18:50,630 --> 00:18:49,200
and this is the man who said look me

476
00:18:52,710 --> 00:18:50,640
right behind that if you have the

477
00:18:55,750 --> 00:18:52,720
ability to pull that together you have

478
00:18:58,390 --> 00:18:55,760
my blessing do it because he was really

479
00:19:00,470 --> 00:18:58,400
uh he was i think angry as you can tell

480
00:19:02,789 --> 00:19:00,480
in this memo but he was also

481
00:19:04,230 --> 00:19:02,799
scared because you know you're you're in

482
00:19:06,549 --> 00:19:04,240
a position

483
00:19:07,830 --> 00:19:06,559
for civilians and i was civilian i'm

484
00:19:09,990 --> 00:19:07,840
still a civilian never been in the

485
00:19:12,430 --> 00:19:10,000
government but for civilians you can't

486
00:19:13,990 --> 00:19:12,440
get your mind around the level of

487
00:19:16,470 --> 00:19:14,000
responsibility

488
00:19:18,549 --> 00:19:16,480
of the largest superpower in the world

489
00:19:21,350 --> 00:19:18,559
and you're in this key position

490
00:19:23,909 --> 00:19:21,360
and you're being denied access

491
00:19:26,390 --> 00:19:23,919
to the most sensitive and important

492
00:19:28,470 --> 00:19:26,400
information and technology and and

493
00:19:30,310 --> 00:19:28,480
classified program in the history of the

494
00:19:31,830 --> 00:19:30,320
united states even though you have those

495
00:19:33,750 --> 00:19:31,840
responsibilities

496
00:19:37,029 --> 00:19:33,760
that is frightening yeah he wasn't used

497
00:19:39,430 --> 00:19:37,039
to that he that took him by surprise

498
00:19:41,350 --> 00:19:39,440
oh yeah oh yeah with us all these men

499
00:19:43,270 --> 00:19:41,360
see this is the thing i've had so many

500
00:19:45,830 --> 00:19:43,280
meetings with people

501
00:19:47,270 --> 00:19:45,840
similar or higher than his rank

502
00:19:48,870 --> 00:19:47,280
who have been

503
00:19:51,350 --> 00:19:48,880
treated the same way

504
00:19:54,710 --> 00:19:51,360
and this is where i began to raise the

505
00:19:57,029 --> 00:19:54,720
alarm bells in the 90s and early 2000s

506
00:19:59,110 --> 00:19:57,039
we have something very wrong

507
00:20:01,350 --> 00:19:59,120
in the world where there is a

508
00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:01,360
transnational group of people

509
00:20:06,870 --> 00:20:03,600
that as senator anyway said have their

510
00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:06,880
own funding mechanism their own laws

511
00:20:12,390 --> 00:20:09,600
their own operations and are above the

512
00:20:14,789 --> 00:20:12,400
law and that's how they operate uh so i

513
00:20:16,950 --> 00:20:14,799
think that it's it's a very difficult

514
00:20:19,669 --> 00:20:16,960
thing because what i have found is that

515
00:20:20,870 --> 00:20:19,679
most of these people when they find out

516
00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:20,880
this

517
00:20:26,230 --> 00:20:24,000
very simple fact

518
00:20:28,390 --> 00:20:26,240
that we have

519
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:28,400
part of our government military

520
00:20:31,190 --> 00:20:29,520
intelligence

521
00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:31,200
corporate structure

522
00:20:34,390 --> 00:20:33,360
is running in a way that is completely

523
00:20:37,270 --> 00:20:34,400
without

524
00:20:39,669 --> 00:20:37,280
any legal constitutional oversight and

525
00:20:42,149 --> 00:20:39,679
control on something that has this kind

526
00:20:45,110 --> 00:20:42,159
of power and technology behind it so

527
00:20:47,190 --> 00:20:45,120
that is uh something that is frightening

528
00:20:49,510 --> 00:20:47,200
to people and it damn well should be

529
00:20:51,990 --> 00:20:49,520
frankly yeah i wanted to ask you before

530
00:20:54,310 --> 00:20:52,000
we get to the break uh have you met uh

531
00:20:57,510 --> 00:20:54,320
oak shannon

532
00:21:00,950 --> 00:20:57,520
i i did not meet him personally it seems

533
00:21:03,669 --> 00:21:00,960
in the document and i'm sure that you

534
00:21:07,190 --> 00:21:03,679
uh ascertain the same thing that that i

535
00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:07,200
have and others have that oak shannon uh

536
00:21:11,669 --> 00:21:10,799
was instrumental in getting eric davis

537
00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:11,679
and

538
00:21:17,270 --> 00:21:14,640
uh admiral wilson together in the back

539
00:21:19,430 --> 00:21:17,280
of that car they wanted

540
00:21:20,630 --> 00:21:19,440
they wanted uh

541
00:21:22,870 --> 00:21:20,640
wilson

542
00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:22,880
on the record somewhat

543
00:21:27,909 --> 00:21:26,080
is that the feeling that you got

544
00:21:30,070 --> 00:21:27,919
yes i think that was sort of a

545
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:30,080
intelligence gathering operation in and

546
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:32,000
of itself

547
00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:34,080
we need to talk about how intelligence

548
00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:36,480
is actually gathered how cutouts are

549
00:21:42,549 --> 00:21:39,520
created what counter intelligence is you

550
00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:42,559
know this is complicated and this is why

551
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:43,440
you know

552
00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:45,440
what i've tried to do over a quarter of

553
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:47,600
a century is to bring some clarity to

554
00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:49,440
this but no matter how much clarity you

555
00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:51,120
bring it's very

556
00:21:55,510 --> 00:21:52,960
complicated

557
00:21:57,669 --> 00:21:55,520
the uh atmosphere that we are in

558
00:22:00,470 --> 00:21:57,679
certainly the last month things have

559
00:22:02,310 --> 00:22:00,480
been uh moving at a very rapid clip it's

560
00:22:04,789 --> 00:22:02,320
very difficult to keep up with not only

561
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:04,799
with the mainstream media trump in his

562
00:22:08,149 --> 00:22:06,400
ufo uh

563
00:22:09,909 --> 00:22:08,159
comments that he has made you've got the

564
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:09,919
navy doing their thing

565
00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:12,480
pilots coming forward now this leaked

566
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:13,600
document

567
00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:17,520
uh has surfaced which is uh if if it is

568
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:20,000
what it is if it is what we think it is

569
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:23,120
it is uh extraordinary

570
00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:26,720
why do you think this is happening now

571
00:22:31,669 --> 00:22:28,480
oh i know why it's happening now you

572
00:22:33,750 --> 00:22:31,679
know once unacknowledged hit 200 to 300

573
00:22:35,590 --> 00:22:33,760
million people who'd seen it

574
00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:35,600
you know if you get netflix go see if

575
00:22:38,870 --> 00:22:36,799
you have you get on the internet and see

576
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:38,880
it on itunes if you don't have netflix

577
00:22:44,390 --> 00:22:42,080
unacknowledged pulled the curtain back

578
00:22:46,230 --> 00:22:44,400
on not only what most people you know

579
00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:46,240
radar case here and you know the thing

580
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:48,640
that came out last year with the you

581
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:50,799
know the jets tracking this tack and

582
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:52,799
whatnot i mean those those happen every

583
00:22:57,270 --> 00:22:54,960
day virtually it's that people think

584
00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:57,280
that's a huge big deal it isn't what's a

585
00:23:01,669 --> 00:22:59,760
huge big deal is the mainstream media

586
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:01,679
has been unleashed to cover it but with

587
00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:03,600
a very specific spin

588
00:23:09,270 --> 00:23:06,640
which is a threat the alien threat card

589
00:23:10,870 --> 00:23:09,280
and what we've been saying for 25 years

590
00:23:12,549 --> 00:23:10,880
that this was a plan that was created in

591
00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:12,559
the 50s and 60s

592
00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:13,679
is that

593
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:15,760
the disclosure that serves the secret

594
00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:18,000
agenda will be one that scares the hell

595
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:19,600
out of the public and leads to an

596
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:21,600
interplanetary threat

597
00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:23,280
that is what they've been planning on

598
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:25,840
for 60 or 70 years that's what we're

599
00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:29,760
seeing unfurled before our very eyes we

600
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:32,080
predicted it 20 some years ago and now

601
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:34,640
it's happening and people need to

602
00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:35,600
wake up

603
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:39,200
is the fear card that they are playing

604
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:42,000
it works they they feel that it works in

605
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:45,840
any situation false flags an invasion

606
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:48,240
you know a precursor to war whatever it

607
00:23:52,149 --> 00:23:50,159
is you know scare the crap out of

608
00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:52,159
everybody no matter what it is sure

609
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:53,840
right and uh

610
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:56,000
a flu epidemic whatever you know let's

611
00:24:01,830 --> 00:23:58,720
scare the crap out of everybody so we

612
00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:01,840
can get them to respond the way that we

613
00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:04,960
need them to respond is that what's

614
00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:08,720
playing out here the the big fear card

615
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:10,400
yes and and if people look at

616
00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:12,000
unacknowledged they'll see that we deal

617
00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:14,480
with that as thoroughly as you can in a

618
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:15,600
popular

619
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:18,880
two-hour film and if we go into all the

620
00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:20,720
kinds of things that have been staged

621
00:24:23,669 --> 00:24:22,000
and hoaxed

622
00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:23,679
it's made to look

623
00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:26,480
alien but are actually man-made and the

624
00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:28,080
spin that's been put on it and we you

625
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:30,880
know you go all the way back to 1953.

626
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:33,760
go get the cia document i have it in my

627
00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:36,400
archives it was given to me in a box of

628
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:38,480
hundreds or maybe a thousand pages of

629
00:24:43,830 --> 00:24:40,880
documents after i briefed the director

630
00:24:47,669 --> 00:24:43,840
of the cia personally face to face

631
00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:47,679
and in that in 1953 is a memo from one

632
00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:50,000
of the early directors of the cia

633
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:52,159
general walter bedell smith

634
00:24:58,710 --> 00:24:55,919
and it says the psychological warfare

635
00:25:01,669 --> 00:24:58,720
implications of the ufo subject is of

636
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:01,679
great value and it refers to an uh an

637
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:03,600
appendix an attachment

638
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:06,240
which was never released that deals with

639
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:07,760
the methods

640
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:08,880
sources

641
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:10,080
the spin

642
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:12,559
and how they would do that so

643
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:14,240
you play you hide something in plain

644
00:25:19,029 --> 00:25:16,080
sight look too many millions of people

645
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:19,039
have seen ufos had contact experiences

646
00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:20,960
all kinds of stuff but if you can

647
00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:22,880
control the narrative let's talk about

648
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:25,279
the narratives and the narrative needs

649
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:28,480
to be controlled in a way that benefits

650
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:31,840
militarism war mongering fear and

651
00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:34,000
control of the population through fear

652
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:35,600
it really isn't hard to figure out

653
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:37,440
frankly and people say god are folks

654
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:39,120
that cynical i said you bet they are

655
00:25:43,110 --> 00:25:41,039
when it involves hundreds of trillions

656
00:25:45,029 --> 00:25:43,120
of dollars and so

657
00:25:46,870 --> 00:25:45,039
that's what we're dealing with and and

658
00:25:49,990 --> 00:25:46,880
uh i think that

659
00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:50,000
this is why it's not enough just to say

660
00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:52,880
you know an f-16 or whatever or hornet

661
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:55,760
uh jet aircraft chased and had an et

662
00:25:59,909 --> 00:25:58,000
craft on its radar you know we have

663
00:26:01,990 --> 00:25:59,919
literally hundreds of those cases in the

664
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:02,000
disclosure files and in the disclosure

665
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:04,080
project materials we have people that

666
00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:06,240
have much more detailed information and

667
00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:08,559
radar tracings than have been on the new

668
00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:11,440
york times in the past year or cnn

669
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:13,600
why is that all happening now when

670
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:15,440
there's been better material released

671
00:26:19,350 --> 00:26:17,440
over the last few decades

672
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:19,360
even long before i came on the scene

673
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:22,400
it's because the folks who actually hold

674
00:26:27,909 --> 00:26:25,440
the strings of the media which we go

675
00:26:30,789 --> 00:26:27,919
into in the movie unacknowledged have

676
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:30,799
pulled the trigger on a certain

677
00:26:35,750 --> 00:26:32,799
type of disclosure not an honest

678
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:35,760
disclosure but as i wrote in 1999 in a

679
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:37,760
paper that's up on our website the

680
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:40,720
disclosure that serves secrecy it's a

681
00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:42,799
disclosure that serves the secret agenda

682
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:45,440
that's been running since the 50s

683
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:46,559
let's uh

684
00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:48,480
let's take a break right here and when

685
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:50,960
we come back i want to go back

686
00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:53,840
uh and specifically talk about uh the

687
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:55,279
meeting uh

688
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:58,000
in in april of 1997

689
00:27:01,029 --> 00:27:00,159
and and who attended and what you spoke

690
00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:01,039
about

691
00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:04,080
i want to get to that and uh well i want

692
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:06,159
to get to some more specific points in

693
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:08,640
the document that were brought out that

694
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:10,799
that only you would know so let's do

695
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:12,559
that after the break our guest tonight

696
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:15,600
dr stephen greer this is fade to black

697
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:18,000
on the game changer network and kg r a

698
00:27:22,390 --> 00:27:20,159
the planet you can follow me on twitter

699
00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:22,400
at j church radio you can follow dr

700
00:27:27,510 --> 00:27:25,360
greer at dr steven greer on twitter

701
00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:27,520
we've got all of that up right now you

702
00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:28,880
can go and click on the links we'll be

703
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:30,559
right back after this short break stay

704
00:27:37,110 --> 00:27:33,210
with us

705
00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:42,610
so

706
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:52,390
[Music]

707
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:54,000
welcome back i'm your host jimmy church

708
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:55,679
this is fade to black our guest tonight

709
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:58,720
dr steven greer we are discussing

710
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:01,200
the davis wilson

711
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:05,360
leaked ufo document uh that surfaced uh

712
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:07,919
into the community last week

713
00:28:14,310 --> 00:28:11,200
and dr greer one of the things that uh i

714
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:14,320
think is excellent about this document

715
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:16,480
is that this isn't some government

716
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:18,640
document that's been redacted and things

717
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:19,840
removed

718
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:22,640
this is a transcription of a

719
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:25,120
conversation in the back of a car

720
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:29,440
and it is a private uh document and

721
00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:32,159
therefore it's unredacted and we get

722
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:33,360
everything there i think that's one of

723
00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:35,279
the best parts about the document

724
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:36,320
and

725
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:39,360
i don't think that uh questioning it's

726
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:41,360
uh you know or trying to debunk this

727
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:43,440
document is quite frankly going to be

728
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:46,080
very very difficult richard dolan did an

729
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:48,000
excellent presentation

730
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:50,880
uh on this uh the moment uh that it did

731
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:52,960
hit the public and i think his

732
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:55,600
assessment uh right now uh is pretty

733
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:58,000
solid in that it's going to be very hard

734
00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:00,880
to refute uh what this document actually

735
00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:05,590
well no i mean frankly i'm still alive

736
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:07,120
i'm not dead yet

737
00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:09,520
unfortunately edgar mitchell is and

738
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:10,720
i was there

739
00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:12,960
not only was i there frankly

740
00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:15,440
you know let me just clear on this i was

741
00:29:19,269 --> 00:29:17,840
the briefer for the admiral

742
00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:19,279
commander miller wasn't neither was

743
00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:21,200
edgar mitchell and so i had to put

744
00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:23,440
together the content both that was sent

745
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:24,399
before

746
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:26,399
and during that presentation

747
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:28,240
and and the follow-up

748
00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:29,279
and

749
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:30,960
it included

750
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:32,880
the names it on page you know i think

751
00:29:37,029 --> 00:29:35,279
it's two of this document refers to some

752
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:37,039
information that i conveyed to miller

753
00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:39,600
about which corporations were involved

754
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:42,000
such as eg g or the skunk works and what

755
00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:44,399
have you and in this memo at some point

756
00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:47,120
the admiral was asked by davis you know

757
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:49,520
uh but the more specific he says you

758
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:51,600
know there's a core secret a core secret

759
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:53,360
you know where he was very clearly told

760
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:56,480
don't talk about that but you know we

761
00:30:01,350 --> 00:29:59,520
had put together that assessment and i

762
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:01,360
also put it together for you know one of

763
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:03,520
your congressmen out there congressman

764
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:06,000
chris cox of orange county when i met

765
00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:07,200
with him

766
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:08,480
he was on the house science and

767
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:10,080
technology committee

768
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:12,159
had been denied access actually the

769
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:15,360
current international director of mufon

770
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:18,000
a very good friend of mine jan harzan

771
00:30:22,630 --> 00:30:19,840
set that meeting up for me and i did a

772
00:30:24,789 --> 00:30:22,640
briefing for congressman cox and as a

773
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:24,799
result created a memo

774
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:26,159
that

775
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:29,039
included all of the top secret

776
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:31,840
facilities and sub facilities

777
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:34,000
at you know such as you know blackjack

778
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:35,520
control and all this sort of thing

779
00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:39,440
edwards and and s ford mesa and nevada

780
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:41,600
etc and so on but it also included the

781
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:43,520
names of the key contractors and that's

782
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:46,559
what he's referring to here on page two

783
00:30:49,750 --> 00:30:48,000
because we had put that together and

784
00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:49,760
that those documents are works in

785
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:53,200
progress i update them for each incoming

786
00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:56,240
us president et cetera and but that's

787
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:58,240
how that came about just so people get

788
00:31:02,950 --> 00:31:00,240
some background on that

789
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:02,960
who who attended uh the meeting in april

790
00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:06,720
of 1997 do you remember

791
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:09,039
yes it was um me

792
00:31:14,549 --> 00:31:12,000
uh edgar mitchell commander will miller

793
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:14,559
of course the admiral was there

794
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:17,120
one of eisenhower's young man who had

795
00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:18,640
worked with eisenhower

796
00:31:22,389 --> 00:31:20,320
the last year or two of his

797
00:31:24,310 --> 00:31:22,399
administration

798
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:24,320
who is an attorney

799
00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:27,039
currently at that time was an attorney

800
00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:28,960
and had been in the the national guard

801
00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:30,880
but was in the signal corps for the army

802
00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:32,480
dealing with communications on this

803
00:31:35,510 --> 00:31:33,279
issue

804
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:35,520
and knew of eisenhower's frustration at

805
00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:37,519
being blocked

806
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:40,880
and then sherry adamak my assistant who

807
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:43,600
unfortunately a year or so

808
00:31:47,669 --> 00:31:44,640
later

809
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:47,679
passed away from a metastatic cancer you

810
00:31:50,789 --> 00:31:49,200
know as you know

811
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:50,799
congressman schiff

812
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:53,840
and myself and and sherry

813
00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:56,480
all got very aggressive cancers and all

814
00:32:01,350 --> 00:31:58,399
died i almost died

815
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:01,360
um in 97 98 there are a lot of

816
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:03,760
suspicious things about that but we're

817
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:05,600
not going to talk about that tonight

818
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:08,559
and um also you know so those were who

819
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:10,000
were in this

820
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:12,320
meeting the context of it just so you

821
00:32:16,710 --> 00:32:14,640
know i mean i'm working full-time as an

822
00:32:17,830 --> 00:32:16,720
emergency and trauma guy down in north

823
00:32:19,990 --> 00:32:17,840
carolina

824
00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:20,000
i've come up to dc

825
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:21,679
uh periodically for these kinds of

826
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:23,120
meetings i was up there on this

827
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:24,799
particular trip

828
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:26,399
because we had done

829
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:29,120
the congressional briefings

830
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:32,480
that were done in georgetown off-site

831
00:32:37,029 --> 00:32:34,880
also out of the congress

832
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:37,039
um i think it was the day before this

833
00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:39,440
this this stand-up briefing for for the

834
00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:42,320
admiral uh wilson at the pentagon and we

835
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:45,519
had the first dozen or so

836
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:47,840
of the disclosure project witnesses

837
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:49,200
although it wasn't called that then it

838
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:50,960
was called project starlight because it

839
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:53,360
was not public yet i was trying to get

840
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:55,600
the president the congress to get on the

841
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:57,760
same page to do this disclosure so

842
00:33:02,070 --> 00:32:59,600
frankly we wouldn't have to

843
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:02,080
but in 1997

844
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:03,919
i had given up on the executive branch

845
00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:05,440
because the president at the time

846
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:07,600
clinton had signed off that he couldn't

847
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:09,200
get anywhere with it and didn't want to

848
00:33:12,230 --> 00:33:10,640
push on the issue

849
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:12,240
because his a very good friend of his

850
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:14,080
came to my home and said he would end up

851
00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:15,760
assassinated like jack kennedy i said

852
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:17,440
well okay then i'll do it

853
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:19,440
uh and sure enough we almost all died

854
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:20,640
subsequently

855
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:22,960
and then i went and did this stand up

856
00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:24,480
but you know it was a very another

857
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:26,000
stand-up briefing for these members of

858
00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:27,919
congress so you know we had chairman of

859
00:33:31,590 --> 00:33:29,440
committees there and all kinds of folks

860
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:31,600
and the first dozen or so

861
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:34,080
of the disclosure project witnesses were

862
00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:35,039
there

863
00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:36,799
in this closed meeting the public didn't

864
00:33:41,190 --> 00:33:40,240
know about it um and so uh i went from

865
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:41,200
that

866
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:43,279
event at the very i think next day or

867
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:45,760
day after to the pentagon to meet with

868
00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:48,000
um admiral wilson so that's how all that

869
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:52,320
came about was was hughes in attendance

870
00:33:57,909 --> 00:33:54,960
no uh no i general patrick hughes who

871
00:33:59,750 --> 00:33:57,919
was the the the director of the defense

872
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:59,760
intelligence agency was not at the

873
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:00,720
meeting

874
00:34:04,389 --> 00:34:03,039
he was briefed separately

875
00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:04,399
by me

876
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:06,880
and uh also commander miller was at that

877
00:34:12,629 --> 00:34:09,599
meeting and two people on his staff

878
00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:12,639
one of whom was a young a woman who was

879
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:14,720
waiting out in the the outside the the

880
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:16,480
general's office before the meeting and

881
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:18,079
looked over and said are you dr gary

882
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:20,159
said yes and she said we have drawn

883
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:22,240
straws to see who could be in on this

884
00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:24,399
briefing with the director

885
00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:26,720
general hughes because so many of us

886
00:34:31,109 --> 00:34:28,720
want to be in there but he'd only let

887
00:34:33,430 --> 00:34:31,119
his right hand guy who's a colonel and

888
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:33,440
one of us come so she was there almost

889
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:35,760
by accident literally drew straws so

890
00:34:38,790 --> 00:34:37,359
there were only four people at the

891
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:38,800
meeting with general patrick hughes

892
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:41,280
myself commander miller uh a colonel

893
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:43,040
whose name eludes me right now and that

894
00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:46,159
this you know uh younger woman who who

895
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:47,679
uh had been allowed to come in because

896
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:49,919
they kind of drew straws on it was there

897
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:52,560
um any uh support staff there anybody

898
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:56,000
taking notes uh any minutes nothing like

899
00:35:00,550 --> 00:34:59,040
that right no no no and i'm sure if they

900
00:35:02,470 --> 00:35:00,560
wouldn't have allowed it this was so

901
00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:02,480
sensitive and at this point both for

902
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:04,960
general hughes but certainly you know

903
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:08,400
admiral wilson i think had made

904
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:10,640
taken the time to make more inquiries

905
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:13,280
both before and after this briefing than

906
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:16,400
general hughes had had done but mind you

907
00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:18,240
both of them had been denied access

908
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:20,480
which is the shocking part of this and

909
00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:22,560
the fact that that's the case

910
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:25,040
in the united states of america

911
00:35:29,349 --> 00:35:27,680
in the last 20 years and i it's still

912
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:29,359
that way today i meet with people who

913
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:32,079
are in similar situations today but you

914
00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:33,680
know i can't talk about it but they

915
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:35,359
asked me to keep it confidential until

916
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:37,839
the the beans get spilled by the way you

917
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:39,920
know he refers to commander miller

918
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:41,920
spilling the beans to leslie keane about

919
00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:43,359
this and ended up in a story in the

920
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:46,640
boston paper uh the boston globe and he

921
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:48,560
was furious about it but i was not part

922
00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:50,160
of that leak that was something that

923
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:52,720
that apparently miller spoke to

924
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:54,480
came about came to this article and it

925
00:35:58,870 --> 00:35:56,480
became quite a kerfuffle and the admiral

926
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:58,880
was furious about it uh which in a sense

927
00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:00,240
i don't blame him but

928
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:02,560
from my point of view it was it was you

929
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:05,200
know just unfortunate but there are

930
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:07,680
folks like admiral wilson and and you

931
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:09,920
know actually who have are on the inside

932
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:12,640
of these us that i meet with on a

933
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:14,240
frequent basis

934
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:15,599
and

935
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:16,960
they don't want to be named i'm not

936
00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:18,560
going to know as a doctor you don't

937
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:20,480
rebuild people's confidences unless they

938
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:23,440
give you permission to um and so that's

939
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:25,680
how i proceed and you know somebody is

940
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:28,720
willing to come forward in this case um

941
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:31,119
the wilson situation had been revealed

942
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:33,680
years ago in the boston globe uh and now

943
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:35,280
this has gotten weak so you know i can

944
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:37,280
talk about it in all the detail i wish i

945
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:39,359
guess at this point yeah and well let's

946
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:42,000
let's talk about the will miller uh part

947
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:42,960
where

948
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:46,400
uh obviously wilson is is pretty upset

949
00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:48,720
and he brings up you

950
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:52,720
about what possibly was leaked to you as

951
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:55,200
as well um and he wasn't happy about

952
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:57,599
that he brings up the good old boys club

953
00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:00,480
right this is the navy and we don't talk

954
00:37:07,349 --> 00:37:04,400
um what is he referencing uh there

955
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:07,359
well he's referencing the fact that he

956
00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:09,359
had confirmed to miller the existence of

957
00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:10,720
the usap

958
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:12,400
um of

959
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:14,640
and a lot of details that

960
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:16,800
again you know if something's provided

961
00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:18,480
to me by someone who's still living and

962
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:20,560
both these men are both commander miller

963
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:21,520
and

964
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:24,000
the admiral i'm not going to go into you

965
00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:25,680
know beyond what's in this document

966
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:28,240
simply because i don't want to be a liar

967
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:30,000
and say i you know you can share this

968
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:32,240
with to me and confidence because i need

969
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:34,079
it on deep background so i can put the

970
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:36,400
assessments together for the polit

971
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:38,480
political leaders and if you read this

972
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:40,079
you'll see that he he approached william

973
00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:41,680
perry bill perry who was yesterday

974
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:43,040
defense at one point

975
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:44,480
and a lot of people don't know who that

976
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:46,079
what that name is that was set theft

977
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:47,520
secretary of defense

978
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:49,520
um and uh

979
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:51,599
but you know at another point there was

980
00:37:57,910 --> 00:37:54,960
a guy named bill cohen c-o-h-e-n

981
00:38:00,790 --> 00:37:57,920
uh who was in the clinton administration

982
00:38:03,030 --> 00:38:00,800
but bill cohen was completely denied uh

983
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:03,040
extensively information on this i know

984
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:05,280
this for a fact because astronaut gordon

985
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:06,880
cooper and i

986
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:08,800
uh had a meeting we were both given a

987
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:10,160
presentation

988
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:13,520
at the federalist society in washington

989
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:16,480
and he shared with me that that the

990
00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:18,720
secretary of defense that was in the

991
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:21,119
same administration at different time

992
00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:23,280
than perry bill perry this reference in

993
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:24,560
this document

994
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:26,800
had asked him to give him all the

995
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:28,640
specific details

996
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:30,800
of the landing of that craft out on the

997
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:32,880
dry lake bed at edwards air force space

998
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:35,760
back in the 50s and so gordon cooper did

999
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:39,200
of course and then he he told me that

1000
00:38:43,349 --> 00:38:40,720
the secretary of defense got back to him

1001
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:43,359
and said there is no record of this it's

1002
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:46,000
gone into a black hole and vanished

1003
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:48,320
obviously into a usap so you know i

1004
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:49,599
would you know

1005
00:38:52,710 --> 00:38:50,640
astronaut

1006
00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:52,720
gordon cooper was sharing that

1007
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:54,320
information with me

1008
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:56,240
uh that conversation he had had with the

1009
00:39:01,030 --> 00:38:58,560
secretary of defense uh and providing

1010
00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:01,040
information to them and so and i turned

1011
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:03,520
it to you know gordon trooper i said yes

1012
00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:05,599
that's the same boat that

1013
00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:07,599
the ci director is in although not all

1014
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:09,760
of them that this

1015
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:12,240
these other figures are in and that this

1016
00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:14,640
is a pattern and what i've tried to

1017
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:17,280
explain to people is

1018
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:19,599
whether or not you're read into which is

1019
00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:21,599
military speak for briefed

1020
00:39:26,790 --> 00:39:23,440
and led inside the tent

1021
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:26,800
on these programs has nothing to do with

1022
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:29,839
your constitutional duties the law or

1023
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:33,280
your rank it has to do with whether they

1024
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:35,599
have done an assessment that you will go

1025
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:38,880
along with the horrific agenda that's

1026
00:39:44,069 --> 00:39:41,040
operating inside these use apps and if

1027
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:44,079
they sense that you're a stand-up guy

1028
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:46,720
and a fundamentally honest person

1029
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:48,480
they will not

1030
00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:50,640
underline read you into it i don't care

1031
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:52,720
if you're the uh

1032
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:54,480
the secretary of defense the president

1033
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:57,440
the cia director admiral wilson patrick

1034
00:40:01,270 --> 00:39:59,119
hughes general hughes

1035
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:01,280
or on the senate intelligence committee

1036
00:40:06,550 --> 00:40:03,920
uh oversight committees so this is what

1037
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:06,560
i discovered between 92 when i first

1038
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:08,640
started meeting with folks like this

1039
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:12,079
and uh the early 2000s and it's what i

1040
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:14,720
continue to find to be the case it's a

1041
00:40:18,310 --> 00:40:16,560
very disturbing assessment and the

1042
00:40:19,910 --> 00:40:18,320
reason

1043
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:19,920
what we're saying and what we're doing

1044
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:21,440
with the disclosure project is

1045
00:40:25,829 --> 00:40:24,000
blacklisted out of the mainstream media

1046
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:25,839
is that we're not going to stop with oh

1047
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:28,000
here's a tic tac being tracked

1048
00:40:31,829 --> 00:40:29,920
and we don't know what it is no we're

1049
00:40:34,310 --> 00:40:31,839
going to say not only do they know what

1050
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:34,320
it is but as you can see from this memo

1051
00:40:37,829 --> 00:40:36,079
we've been reverse engineering them and

1052
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:37,839
studying them for decades we know how

1053
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:39,200
they operate

1054
00:40:42,790 --> 00:40:41,040
how they're operating would pull us off

1055
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:42,800
of oil gas and coal and fix the

1056
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:45,119
environment but terminate hundreds of

1057
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:47,280
trillions of dollars of oil and mineral

1058
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:50,079
wealth instantly okay so this is the

1059
00:40:54,310 --> 00:40:51,680
real thing and see the new york times

1060
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:54,320
and cnn and fox news

1061
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:55,520
are not

1062
00:41:00,630 --> 00:40:57,839
underlined again gonna report that your

1063
00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:00,640
show will but the big quote mainstream

1064
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:02,880
media is not allowed what they will

1065
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:04,400
allow to be out

1066
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:06,960
is something that's sort of a phenomenon

1067
00:41:10,870 --> 00:41:09,359
that seen confirms it and then attach

1068
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:10,880
the fact that it's a threat to our

1069
00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:13,839
sovereignty as chris mellon said or it's

1070
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:16,480
a national security threat all that kind

1071
00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:19,040
of stuff um because that fits the

1072
00:41:23,589 --> 00:41:21,920
narrative and the big mainstream media

1073
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:23,599
is completely

1074
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:25,280
answering to

1075
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:28,240
these usaps as to what they will and

1076
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:30,480
will not cover on this subject and i

1077
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:32,960
discovered that in the 90s also so the

1078
00:41:37,109 --> 00:41:35,040
people who think we have a genuine free

1079
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:37,119
press when it comes to the huge

1080
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:39,359
major media they're living on planet

1081
00:41:45,829 --> 00:41:41,760
mars that's a that's an absolute mess

1082
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:45,839
mythology what's your assessment of the

1083
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:48,480
will miller letter that is included in

1084
00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:50,160
the document leak

1085
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:52,319
and the reason why i ask you directly

1086
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:54,480
about that because the letter

1087
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:55,920
i don't know if it's real or not or if

1088
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:57,200
it's authentic i don't know if you've

1089
00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:00,160
talked to will miller uh uh in the last

1090
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:02,480
week about it i mean well i haven't

1091
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:04,400
talked to him recently but it's it's

1092
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:06,640
it's his address it's it's it's his

1093
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:08,960
signature it's his letter yeah it's too

1094
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:11,520
perfect isn't it i mean he brings up

1095
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:13,920
levitation and teleportation and time

1096
00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:15,200
travel and

1097
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:16,960
and you know it's uh you know it's to

1098
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:19,440
eric davis and of course how put off is

1099
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:21,200
is referenced here

1100
00:42:25,829 --> 00:42:23,920
and then uh you know there there's to be

1101
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:25,839
no mention or association of my name

1102
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:29,119
with your work uh or investigation it's

1103
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:31,760
it's nearly too perfect but is this the

1104
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:33,920
type of letter that that will would

1105
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:36,720
write and it needs to be direct uh to

1106
00:42:42,069 --> 00:42:39,119
someone like eric davis and and their

1107
00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:42,079
group uh that they were oh yeah i have i

1108
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:43,760
have many letters like this in my

1109
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:45,119
archive

1110
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:48,960
people have written to me in confidence

1111
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:50,800
like commander miller this is this is

1112
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:53,280
nothing in that letter surprises me now

1113
00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:54,960
uh i want to ask you something that i

1114
00:43:03,030 --> 00:42:58,720
raised last week about the letter which

1115
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:03,040
is the eagle the logo that he's got on

1116
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:05,520
it i couldn't find that

1117
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:10,480
anywhere in in any usg letterheads

1118
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:11,440
uh

1119
00:43:16,309 --> 00:43:13,280
no i think it says something he used i

1120
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:16,319
think he had uh in 2002 he was out of

1121
00:43:19,109 --> 00:43:18,079
his command that his navel command at

1122
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:19,119
that point and i think it's just

1123
00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:20,720
something he was using so you're okay

1124
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:22,480
with that that that didn't raise any

1125
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:23,760
flags for you

1126
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:26,400
oh no no not at all okay okay

1127
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:30,079
um so you as far as you you feel

1128
00:43:36,069 --> 00:43:32,960
that the letter is authentic

1129
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:36,079
yes yeah explosive it's just all it's

1130
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:39,280
all explosive stuff and uh getting back

1131
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:41,760
to well see this is why i'm always so

1132
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:42,640
shocked

1133
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:44,640
everything in all this entire document

1134
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:46,400
and the letter it's everything that

1135
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:47,760
we've been sharing with the public for

1136
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:50,640
25 years why anyone is shocked by this

1137
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:52,640
is astonishing to me

1138
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:54,720
this should be settled

1139
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:57,040
knowledge by now and i'm not trying to

1140
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:59,280
to to slap you down at all jim no no i

1141
00:44:02,150 --> 00:44:00,880
know you i don't see why

1142
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:02,160
i don't see why any of this is

1143
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:04,079
surprising this is exactly what we have

1144
00:44:09,510 --> 00:44:06,400
been documenting improving for a quarter

1145
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:09,520
of a century in assiduous detail

1146
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:12,000
um so i you know i guess in a sense it's

1147
00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:13,920
confirming what we've been saying sure

1148
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:15,359
up to and including you know getting

1149
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:17,040
your you know getting knocked down one

1150
00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:19,599
or two stars off of your pay grade

1151
00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:21,920
um which admiral wilson refers to but

1152
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:23,680
you know we've talked about that also in

1153
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:24,640
the past

1154
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:27,440
well and and i i guess to my point is

1155
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:30,240
the reason why it's shocking it's this

1156
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:32,480
is what you know it's this kind of

1157
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:33,520
evidence

1158
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:35,839
uh that we've been waiting for

1159
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:38,160
not only to for you because you've been

1160
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:39,839
speaking about these meetings you've

1161
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:40,640
been

1162
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:43,520
exactly the content of what is in these

1163
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:46,400
documents is what you have been

1164
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:49,440
uh relaying to the public for for a

1165
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:52,160
couple of decades now it gets released

1166
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,240
finally we can sit back and go okay now

1167
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:56,640
we have something here that is tangible

1168
00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:59,200
you know this is authentic and how does

1169
00:45:05,190 --> 00:45:01,680
that make you feel are you relieved or

1170
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:05,200
do you think that there's more to come

1171
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:06,720
well no i i'm relieved that it's

1172
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:08,800
confirmed what basically

1173
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:10,400
we've been saying that you know i mean a

1174
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:11,760
lot of people think that some of these

1175
00:45:16,069 --> 00:45:13,680
things that i've shared or just can't be

1176
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:16,079
believed because there's most of these

1177
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:19,119
people like miller and admiral wilson or

1178
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:20,720
general patrick hughes are never going

1179
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:22,720
to confirm it remember when the ci

1180
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:25,280
director i grieved when that story came

1181
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:27,280
out well after he had left office i

1182
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:28,560
would have never discussed it while he

1183
00:45:31,829 --> 00:45:29,920
was in office

1184
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:31,839
he actually went to the pains of having

1185
00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:34,079
everyone the other people in him himself

1186
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:35,520
saying that the meeting wasn't about

1187
00:45:40,950 --> 00:45:39,200
ufos i had to release excerpts from

1188
00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:40,960
uh john peterson who was head of the

1189
00:45:44,470 --> 00:45:43,599
arlington institute of a military think

1190
00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:44,480
tank

1191
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:46,720
where he who set up the briefing with me

1192
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:48,560
and the ci director that explicitly says

1193
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:50,560
not only are you going to be the first

1194
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:52,400
person to brief the president cia

1195
00:45:56,069 --> 00:45:54,480
director on this issue but that the most

1196
00:45:59,349 --> 00:45:56,079
powerful interests in the world are

1197
00:46:02,309 --> 00:45:59,359
going to do everything in their power to

1198
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:02,319
uh alter change and control what happens

1199
00:46:06,790 --> 00:46:04,560
with this etcetera and so on and that is

1200
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:06,800
an alert now this is why i tell people

1201
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:09,280
what's sending in my freaking archive

1202
00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:10,319
you know

1203
00:46:15,589 --> 00:46:12,800
which i referred to as a part of a dead

1204
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:15,599
man trigger you ain't seen nothing yet

1205
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:17,760
i'll tell you that right now but a lot

1206
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:19,680
of it is confidential things have been

1207
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:21,839
sent if something if i drop dead or

1208
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:24,240
anyone on my team gets threatened every

1209
00:46:27,910 --> 00:46:25,839
bit of it is going to hit the internet

1210
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:27,920
and you think this is something you wait

1211
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:30,400
until this other stuff comes out

1212
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:31,760
the

1213
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:41,040
like miller or wilson or people i can't

1214
00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:43,200
say their names that i've met with in

1215
00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:45,839
the last year who know a great deal more

1216
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:47,200
than the admiral

1217
00:46:52,150 --> 00:46:49,040
and a great deal more than miller ever

1218
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:52,160
knew who in recent times very recent

1219
00:46:56,710 --> 00:46:54,560
times have been in these compartments

1220
00:47:00,309 --> 00:46:56,720
and are giving us information and

1221
00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:00,319
details and locations and operational

1222
00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:03,520
uh centers etc and so on

1223
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:06,640
and that's information that i don't want

1224
00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:08,319
people like that so like they can't

1225
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:10,160
share it because i betrayed a trust i

1226
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:12,160
hope people listening understand that

1227
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:13,839
i'm not trying to keep anything secret

1228
00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:16,079
i'm trying to be ethical and so i share

1229
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:19,200
what i can to the extent i can without

1230
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:21,359
going back on my word to someone who has

1231
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:22,319
said

1232
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:24,480
you may share this information but do

1233
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:27,040
not repeat my name that happens to me

1234
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:29,760
all the time of the 100 or so disclosure

1235
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:32,000
project military corporate intel

1236
00:47:36,309 --> 00:47:34,160
witnesses we have if you go my

1237
00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:36,319
youtube.com

1238
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:39,680
disclosure s as in sirius uh you'll see

1239
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:41,440
that you know we have like five or six

1240
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:43,440
dozen of them up there but the ones that

1241
00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:45,520
are the most explosive don't want to sit

1242
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:47,440
in front of a camera don't want their

1243
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:49,920
names used now this puts me in a

1244
00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:53,200
horrible situation frankly i i know the

1245
00:47:56,309 --> 00:47:54,880
information and i know it's true and

1246
00:47:58,550 --> 00:47:56,319
i've checked out their credentials or

1247
00:48:00,309 --> 00:47:58,560
met with them in their facilities

1248
00:48:02,230 --> 00:48:00,319
but i can't reference them and they

1249
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:02,240
don't want to come forward to confirm it

1250
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:03,920
so then people say well

1251
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:06,000
is it true if dr grier says it is well

1252
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:07,359
you can believe it or not believe it

1253
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:09,280
frankly i don't care anymore

1254
00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:10,960
this document proves that what i've been

1255
00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:13,760
saying about this kind of information is

1256
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:16,160
absolutely true and what i will continue

1257
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:18,640
to say is absolutely true including the

1258
00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:20,880
things where i can't refer to the person

1259
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:22,240
or the details

1260
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:24,000
in a lot of

1261
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:25,520
of granular

1262
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:28,240
um specifics because i promise someone i

1263
00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:29,920
can't and i think people have to

1264
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:31,760
understand that that puts me in a you

1265
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:33,440
know between a rock and a hard place

1266
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:34,960
often

1267
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:35,920
the

1268
00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:38,240
document gets leaked uh you know goes

1269
00:48:43,589 --> 00:48:40,720
public last week and

1270
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:43,599
over the weekend president trump in an

1271
00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:45,680
interview says and i think this is the

1272
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:47,520
first time i've ever heard a president

1273
00:48:50,549 --> 00:48:48,559
say this

1274
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:50,559
that he's been briefed on the ufo

1275
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:51,839
subject

1276
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:55,200
and the timing again to me is suspect

1277
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:57,119
right it's like an avalanche right now

1278
00:49:02,309 --> 00:48:59,520
dr gur

1279
00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:02,319
yeah well it's a complicated story and

1280
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:04,240
let me let me we don't have a lot of

1281
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:07,040
time but as soon as he got nominated one

1282
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:09,839
of his delegates um for the republican

1283
00:49:13,990 --> 00:49:12,160
national committee asked me to

1284
00:49:15,670 --> 00:49:14,000
put a brief together for him and so he

1285
00:49:19,109 --> 00:49:15,680
did

1286
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:19,119
that was put in his hands personally

1287
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:22,319
that was in september 2016 couple months

1288
00:49:26,309 --> 00:49:24,160
before the election

1289
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:26,319
now we had already provided material to

1290
00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:28,160
podesta and the clintons and all that so

1291
00:49:31,349 --> 00:49:29,599
that was sort of you know that ship

1292
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:31,359
sailed a long time ago

1293
00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:32,319
um

1294
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:33,440
but

1295
00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:36,000
it's within 12 hours or so

1296
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:38,319
of him taking possession that document

1297
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:40,480
guess who they moved in as his

1298
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:43,200
right-hand person during the last months

1299
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:45,119
of the campaign

1300
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:48,480
for his national security adviser senior

1301
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:50,800
the cia director i briefed who later

1302
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:52,480
ended up

1303
00:49:58,150 --> 00:49:55,520
betraying all of us are james woolsey

1304
00:50:00,069 --> 00:49:58,160
and he was moved in within 12 hours of

1305
00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:00,079
the document i put together that was

1306
00:50:04,309 --> 00:50:02,960
handed into the hands of

1307
00:50:05,829 --> 00:50:04,319
the nominee

1308
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:05,839
republican nominee for president who

1309
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:08,079
then got elected president in november

1310
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:08,800
so

1311
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:10,559
this is how

1312
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:12,480
the world works i have a home

1313
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:14,240
in washington i meet with these sort of

1314
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:16,000
folks all the time

1315
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:19,359
the kind of maneuvering that happens to

1316
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:21,920
intercept someone like a new president

1317
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:24,319
and move them in the direction of where

1318
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:26,720
they want to be moved

1319
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:27,839
where

1320
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:30,480
someone like myself might be

1321
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:33,119
moved aside and they'll put someone in

1322
00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:35,440
who will then direct them to create a

1323
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:38,160
space force or to

1324
00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:40,880
allow a slow disclosure but then in a cr

1325
00:50:45,990 --> 00:50:43,599
increasingly xenophobic frightening way

1326
00:50:48,069 --> 00:50:46,000
of an alien invasion these are the

1327
00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:48,079
things i'm concerned about because

1328
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:50,000
of the system that's in place that's

1329
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:52,559
around any president around anyone at

1330
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:55,200
the pentagon who penetrates

1331
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:58,079
the lead shield around an unacknowledged

1332
00:51:01,829 --> 00:51:00,400
special access project and by the way

1333
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:01,839
that term most people have never heard

1334
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:04,160
of it's used here in this memo

1335
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:06,880
on the top of page seven where it says

1336
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:08,559
they told me of a special projects

1337
00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:11,200
record group not belonging to a usual

1338
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:13,680
sap special access project a special

1339
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:17,040
subset of the unacknowledged carve outs

1340
00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:19,119
waived programs

1341
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:22,160
not belonging to usual special access

1342
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:24,640
project divisions as organized in 94 by

1343
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:27,599
perry himself set apart from

1344
00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:30,240
the rest and buried and covered by

1345
00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:33,920
conventional saps buried or covered this

1346
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:35,200
is the architecture we've been

1347
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:36,800
discussing i've been discussing to the

1348
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:39,520
public for 25 years that's in the

1349
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:42,720
documentary unacknowledged and

1350
00:51:46,549 --> 00:51:44,400
one of the one of the interesting things

1351
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:46,559
about how that system works

1352
00:51:50,950 --> 00:51:47,760
is that

1353
00:51:53,910 --> 00:51:50,960
they have assets that are pre-positioned

1354
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:53,920
to intercept an incoming president who

1355
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:55,680
gets something like

1356
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:57,920
trump did from me or that clinton got

1357
00:52:02,710 --> 00:52:00,319
from us back in the 90s i mean 25 years

1358
00:52:05,589 --> 00:52:02,720
later the more things change the more

1359
00:52:07,109 --> 00:52:05,599
they stay the same meanwhile

1360
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:07,119
with hundreds of millions of people

1361
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:08,880
finding out about this stuff through the

1362
00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:10,880
unacknowledged documentary which became

1363
00:52:15,190 --> 00:52:12,240
a runaway

1364
00:52:16,710 --> 00:52:15,200
you suddenly have a group that's formed

1365
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:16,720
that are people who have been on the

1366
00:52:22,549 --> 00:52:19,920
inside for years like put off

1367
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:22,559
and chris mellon and

1368
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:24,720
all these folks and they start seeing

1369
00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:26,800
that certain things get into the media

1370
00:52:32,309 --> 00:52:29,440
but with a very specific spin

1371
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:32,319
of you know a violation of our national

1372
00:52:37,990 --> 00:52:35,280
sovereignty or a national security

1373
00:52:39,430 --> 00:52:38,000
threat or a threat assessment office it

1374
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:39,440
all has this

1375
00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:40,400
subtle

1376
00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:42,240
believe me at this point it's all very

1377
00:52:49,270 --> 00:52:46,000
nuanced narrative and almost subliminal

1378
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:49,280
but that's how counterintelligence works

1379
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:51,520
that's how psychological warfare works

1380
00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:53,520
and you and i my friend are watching

1381
00:52:58,470 --> 00:52:56,400
this before our eyes unfold in virtually

1382
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:58,480
real time in the last year it's been

1383
00:53:02,230 --> 00:52:59,760
crazy and

1384
00:53:04,950 --> 00:53:02,240
it's also for me uh and for this

1385
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:04,960
community it's also very exciting

1386
00:53:09,430 --> 00:53:07,040
because we're all here

1387
00:53:13,349 --> 00:53:09,440
for our own personal reasons you know

1388
00:53:15,990 --> 00:53:13,359
there there are we have uh uh

1389
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:16,000
our what how do i want to say this

1390
00:53:21,670 --> 00:53:18,720
a personal event happened somewhere and

1391
00:53:24,069 --> 00:53:21,680
we are chasing this knowledge and to

1392
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:24,079
have this it's confirmation right for

1393
00:53:29,349 --> 00:53:26,400
the community where they can just sit

1394
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:29,359
back and go okay finally you know and

1395
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:32,480
not only am i not crazy but neither are

1396
00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:34,800
the people around me too as well and and

1397
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:36,880
that's the part that i find so exciting

1398
00:53:40,069 --> 00:53:38,960
let's take a break right here and uh

1399
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:40,079
when we come back we're going to

1400
00:53:45,109 --> 00:53:42,480
continue the conversation but i do want

1401
00:53:47,829 --> 00:53:45,119
to get into uh who is controlling this

1402
00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:47,839
narrative and why this is fade to black

1403
00:53:52,230 --> 00:53:50,480
our guest tonight dr stephen greer i'm

1404
00:53:54,390 --> 00:53:52,240
your host jimmy church follow me on

1405
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:54,400
twitter at j church radio follow dr

1406
00:53:59,970 --> 00:53:57,359
greer at dr stephen greer we'll be right

1407
00:54:42,390 --> 00:53:59,980
back

1408
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:42,400
jimmy church tonight dr stephen greer is

1409
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:45,520
here tomorrow night is our disclosure

1410
00:54:50,549 --> 00:54:47,920
fest special event with naseem haram

1411
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:50,559
jason quit billy carson and michael

1412
00:54:55,829 --> 00:54:52,640
tellinger our guest host is adrian

1413
00:54:58,390 --> 00:54:55,839
valera and then wednesday night grant

1414
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:58,400
cameron will be joining us to also

1415
00:55:04,390 --> 00:55:00,720
continue with the inside story of the

1416
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:04,400
davis wilson ufo league uh dr greer i've

1417
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:06,720
got uh two things i want to uh bring up

1418
00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:08,640
i want to go back to uh president trump

1419
00:55:14,390 --> 00:55:12,160
for a second um this weekend he said and

1420
00:55:16,470 --> 00:55:14,400
i this very curious comment from him

1421
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:16,480
where he said well you know i don't

1422
00:55:24,069 --> 00:55:21,119
really believe in ufos but when i find

1423
00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:24,079
out you'll be the first to know do we

1424
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:28,400
take him literally uh with that comment

1425
00:55:33,270 --> 00:55:30,240
look you know i don't know i can't be

1426
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:33,280
inside his or you know obama's head or

1427
00:55:36,549 --> 00:55:35,119
any others that have made comments that

1428
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:36,559
are deflective

1429
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:39,119
um perhaps he's been threatened the way

1430
00:55:42,790 --> 00:55:42,000
admiral wilson was threatened or the way

1431
00:55:45,430 --> 00:55:42,800
uh

1432
00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:45,440
president clinton you know sent his a

1433
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:47,040
good friend of mine home down to north

1434
00:55:50,309 --> 00:55:48,720
carolina

1435
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:50,319
who said look you know we're very

1436
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:52,160
concerned that if the president takes

1437
00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:54,079
the recommendations that you've outlined

1438
00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:54,960
in your

1439
00:55:59,030 --> 00:55:57,200
uh brief that you gave the ci director

1440
00:56:01,589 --> 00:55:59,040
he'll end up like jack kennedy and be

1441
00:56:03,030 --> 00:56:01,599
assassinated so i can't speak to what's

1442
00:56:04,950 --> 00:56:03,040
in their heads

1443
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:04,960
i will say this this i know for a

1444
00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:06,480
definite fact

1445
00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:08,000
if they are

1446
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:10,720
forceful and inquiring about this they

1447
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:12,480
will be provided

1448
00:56:17,510 --> 00:56:14,880
the briefing that is psychologically

1449
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:17,520
tailored to their

1450
00:56:22,069 --> 00:56:19,760
world of view let me give you a great

1451
00:56:23,910 --> 00:56:22,079
example we had a president

1452
00:56:25,990 --> 00:56:23,920
many years ago probably half your

1453
00:56:27,670 --> 00:56:26,000
listeners weren't alive named

1454
00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:27,680
president ronald reagan

1455
00:56:32,150 --> 00:56:30,400
and he was i knew a man who was on the

1456
00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:32,160
committee that briefed him

1457
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:34,720
to on some of this stuff but he was

1458
00:56:39,910 --> 00:56:37,440
representing the defense industry

1459
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:39,920
while he was a colonel in the air force

1460
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:41,200
colonel hallman

1461
00:56:45,030 --> 00:56:42,240
and his

1462
00:56:47,829 --> 00:56:45,040
purpose was to present

1463
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:47,839
the ufo material in a way that was a

1464
00:56:53,349 --> 00:56:51,040
threat to get a lot of money including

1465
00:56:55,589 --> 00:56:53,359
black money into the so-called sdi

1466
00:56:57,430 --> 00:56:55,599
strategic defense initiative to put

1467
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:57,440
weapons up in space

1468
00:57:01,349 --> 00:56:58,640
and so

1469
00:57:02,390 --> 00:57:01,359
that was tailor made

1470
00:57:05,829 --> 00:57:02,400
to

1471
00:57:08,309 --> 00:57:05,839
reagan's world view

1472
00:57:09,190 --> 00:57:08,319
so that he would then approve

1473
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:09,200
that

1474
00:57:15,030 --> 00:57:12,480
vastly expanded multi-billion dollar

1475
00:57:17,829 --> 00:57:15,040
uh strategic defense initiatives uh

1476
00:57:19,430 --> 00:57:17,839
space weapons program in back way back

1477
00:57:21,589 --> 00:57:19,440
in in

1478
00:57:23,589 --> 00:57:21,599
the day in the 80s so this was

1479
00:57:25,510 --> 00:57:23,599
this is something that most people don't

1480
00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:25,520
realize that

1481
00:57:30,390 --> 00:57:27,760
there will be a limited amount of

1482
00:57:33,190 --> 00:57:30,400
information provided but they are very

1483
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:33,200
good at doing a psychological profile of

1484
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:35,280
whoever it is that they're briefing and

1485
00:57:37,829 --> 00:57:36,240
of course

1486
00:57:39,430 --> 00:57:37,839
you know truman first said and clinton

1487
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:39,440
repeated that the white house is the

1488
00:57:43,750 --> 00:57:42,240
crown jewel of the federal penitentiary

1489
00:57:46,470 --> 00:57:43,760
system i mean you're in a bubble like

1490
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:46,480
you've never seen so unless someone like

1491
00:57:50,950 --> 00:57:48,720
my group and the material i get can

1492
00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:50,960
penetrate that bubble which which we do

1493
00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:52,720
periodically they're gonna in a

1494
00:57:56,789 --> 00:57:55,119
hermetically sealed system and you know

1495
00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:56,799
you got the foxes who are guarding the

1496
00:58:01,990 --> 00:57:59,040
hen house here who then will do a

1497
00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:02,000
tailor-made limited briefing where they

1498
00:58:04,630 --> 00:58:03,680
can spin it any way they want for

1499
00:58:06,390 --> 00:58:04,640
example

1500
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:06,400
recently in the mainstream media you've

1501
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:08,960
had people who come out from lockheed

1502
00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:10,319
or

1503
00:58:13,510 --> 00:58:11,280
chris

1504
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:13,520
mellon who's related to the mel and paul

1505
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:15,040
millen family

1506
00:58:19,349 --> 00:58:17,280
who started the cia and all that stuff

1507
00:58:21,349 --> 00:58:19,359
we get into that if you want who are

1508
00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:21,359
saying well we need to study this but we

1509
00:58:25,510 --> 00:58:23,200
don't really know what they is and they

1510
00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:25,520
are we don't know how they operate and

1511
00:58:28,309 --> 00:58:27,040
of course that's all a lie you look at

1512
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:28,319
this wilson

1513
00:58:32,309 --> 00:58:30,240
uh memo

1514
00:58:33,829 --> 00:58:32,319
and and the thing that dave has created

1515
00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:33,839
you know he's talking about the fact

1516
00:58:36,549 --> 00:58:35,040
that you know these things have been

1517
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:36,559
studied and miller is talking about the

1518
00:58:41,910 --> 00:58:39,599
levitation teleportation stuff

1519
00:58:44,230 --> 00:58:41,920
obviously it's a

1520
00:58:46,390 --> 00:58:44,240
a very

1521
00:58:47,910 --> 00:58:46,400
cherry-picked disclosure

1522
00:58:49,109 --> 00:58:47,920
that is

1523
00:58:50,789 --> 00:58:49,119
conditional

1524
00:58:52,549 --> 00:58:50,799
and it's

1525
00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:52,559
made to

1526
00:58:57,030 --> 00:58:54,640
have a certain effect on people's

1527
00:58:59,829 --> 00:58:57,040
awareness which is why they always work

1528
00:59:01,750 --> 00:58:59,839
in however subliminally a threat a

1529
00:59:04,069 --> 00:59:01,760
threat a threat well look you know if

1530
00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:04,079
you have interstellar technologies that

1531
00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:05,839
are a hundred thousand to a million

1532
00:59:09,910 --> 00:59:07,680
years past what we have

1533
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:09,920
if they were a genuine threat we'd know

1534
00:59:13,349 --> 00:59:11,680
about it and and it would have been all

1535
00:59:15,670 --> 00:59:13,359
over about time we detonated the first

1536
00:59:17,589 --> 00:59:15,680
atomic bomb however

1537
00:59:19,109 --> 00:59:17,599
there's a there's a it's a complex thing

1538
00:59:21,910 --> 00:59:19,119
a lot of people miss caricature what i

1539
00:59:23,589 --> 00:59:21,920
say and say oh the et's aren't

1540
00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:23,599
hostile towards us

1541
00:59:28,390 --> 00:59:26,160
well actually i think they're very

1542
00:59:30,069 --> 00:59:28,400
hostile towards an aspect of human

1543
00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:30,079
behavior

1544
00:59:34,549 --> 00:59:32,400
called war making and they're very

1545
00:59:38,069 --> 00:59:34,559
concerned that we could destroy this

1546
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:38,079
planet and escape from our solar system

1547
00:59:43,990 --> 00:59:40,160
and be an existential threat to other

1548
00:59:46,150 --> 00:59:44,000
planets so i think people try to come on

1549
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:46,160
you know this whole issue has to get

1550
00:59:52,069 --> 00:59:49,440
discussed in a more nuanced and and and

1551
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:52,079
detailed way because imagine if you were

1552
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:54,240
to come across our civilization

1553
00:59:58,230 --> 00:59:55,440
and see

1554
01:00:00,549 --> 00:59:58,240
nuclear bombs and stuff going off and

1555
01:00:03,430 --> 01:00:00,559
then we're going into space and we have

1556
01:00:05,829 --> 01:00:03,440
covert weapon systems on satellites that

1557
01:00:07,589 --> 01:00:05,839
frankly are killers that can kill

1558
01:00:09,510 --> 01:00:07,599
anything out in space or even down on

1559
01:00:10,549 --> 01:00:09,520
the earth that have been functional for

1560
01:00:11,349 --> 01:00:10,559
decades

1561
01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:11,359
uh

1562
01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:12,960
you know you would have some concerns

1563
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:15,760
about the direction our planet is going

1564
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:17,520
in addition to the fact we're destroying

1565
01:00:22,150 --> 01:00:19,760
the biosphere unnecessarily because

1566
01:00:23,670 --> 01:00:22,160
we've been on fossil fuels and chemicals

1567
01:00:25,670 --> 01:00:23,680
for 70 years

1568
01:00:28,470 --> 01:00:25,680
past when we should have been or maybe

1569
01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:28,480
longer so i think that we have to look

1570
01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:31,280
at this from multiple perspectives and

1571
01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:33,760
but what i know is happening and we were

1572
01:00:37,349 --> 01:00:35,040
warned of this

1573
01:00:40,150 --> 01:00:37,359
back in the 90s is that they will

1574
01:00:42,069 --> 01:00:40,160
surround whoever is the new president

1575
01:00:43,589 --> 01:00:42,079
if this is going to come out they're

1576
01:00:45,349 --> 01:00:43,599
going to control the narrative and since

1577
01:00:48,549 --> 01:00:45,359
the mainstream media is in their back

1578
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:48,559
pocket of this uh majority intelligence

1579
01:00:54,390 --> 01:00:51,119
community it's called magic now mhaic

1580
01:00:56,950 --> 01:00:54,400
not majestic 12 by the way uh it when if

1581
01:01:00,069 --> 01:00:56,960
magic wants the mainstream media to

1582
01:01:03,510 --> 01:01:00,079
cover x case and not y case but cover in

1583
01:01:05,109 --> 01:01:03,520
a way that has x-men instead of y-spin

1584
01:01:07,270 --> 01:01:05,119
and the spin they want is one that's

1585
01:01:09,670 --> 01:01:07,280
frightening to the public that's what

1586
01:01:12,069 --> 01:01:09,680
cnn and that's what the new york times

1587
01:01:14,150 --> 01:01:12,079
and the washington post and fox and on

1588
01:01:16,950 --> 01:01:14,160
and on and on and npr are going to do

1589
01:01:19,109 --> 01:01:16,960
full stop so you know this is

1590
01:01:21,109 --> 01:01:19,119
unfortunately what it's come to and

1591
01:01:22,950 --> 01:01:21,119
thank god we have shows like yours and

1592
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:22,960
the alternative media and the internet

1593
01:01:28,630 --> 01:01:26,640
but the the the record

1594
01:01:31,670 --> 01:01:28,640
let's call it the media of record the

1595
01:01:33,670 --> 01:01:31,680
establishment respected media no offense

1596
01:01:35,349 --> 01:01:33,680
to you at all like the new york times

1597
01:01:37,349 --> 01:01:35,359
they're not going to cover this this

1598
01:01:40,630 --> 01:01:37,359
truthfully and anyone who thinks they

1599
01:01:41,829 --> 01:01:40,640
are are very sadly mistaken go look at

1600
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:41,839
what

1601
01:01:46,470 --> 01:01:44,160
a counterintelligence master

1602
01:01:48,230 --> 01:01:46,480
like richard dodie whose whole life with

1603
01:01:50,230 --> 01:01:48,240
disinformation and counterintelligence

1604
01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:50,240
says and unacknowledged he would carry

1605
01:01:56,309 --> 01:01:53,520
bags of cash to national security

1606
01:01:58,069 --> 01:01:56,319
editors and local and national media to

1607
01:02:00,309 --> 01:01:58,079
get them to tell the story the way they

1608
01:02:03,190 --> 01:02:00,319
want them to tell it that's how it works

1609
01:02:03,990 --> 01:02:03,200
it is a corrupt enterprise through and

1610
01:02:05,990 --> 01:02:04,000
through

1611
01:02:08,630 --> 01:02:06,000
rotten to the core and that includes

1612
01:02:12,549 --> 01:02:08,640
especially the media there's another

1613
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:12,559
reference uh in in this document that

1614
01:02:15,750 --> 01:02:13,920
was pretty

1615
01:02:18,309 --> 01:02:15,760
stand out which is

1616
01:02:21,190 --> 01:02:18,319
crash retrievals landings contact

1617
01:02:24,710 --> 01:02:21,200
reverse engineering all of that is real

1618
01:02:26,549 --> 01:02:24,720
but alien abductions are not

1619
01:02:29,109 --> 01:02:26,559
yeah on the last page is the most

1620
01:02:31,750 --> 01:02:29,119
important thing in this document

1621
01:02:32,829 --> 01:02:31,760
well as you know about 25 years ago i

1622
01:02:35,430 --> 01:02:32,839
was read

1623
01:02:37,990 --> 01:02:35,440
into now this is stuff we've never

1624
01:02:41,109 --> 01:02:38,000
talked about in detail on your show

1625
01:02:43,990 --> 01:02:41,119
i was read into a project with some guys

1626
01:02:46,789 --> 01:02:44,000
who were doing the abductions

1627
01:02:48,630 --> 01:02:46,799
and what their stagecraft was what their

1628
01:02:50,630 --> 01:02:48,640
technologies were

1629
01:02:52,309 --> 01:02:50,640
the extent to which they could simulate

1630
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:52,319
things and the victims and then people

1631
01:02:56,150 --> 01:02:54,240
said oh dr gers terrible he doesn't

1632
01:02:58,630 --> 01:02:56,160
appreciate the people been victimized i

1633
01:02:59,910 --> 01:02:58,640
do i very much do because i had that

1634
01:03:02,150 --> 01:02:59,920
done to me

1635
01:03:04,390 --> 01:03:02,160
in 94 after i briefed the crown prince

1636
01:03:06,069 --> 01:03:04,400
of liechtenstein they they came in and

1637
01:03:08,710 --> 01:03:06,079
tried to abduct me out of my hotel room

1638
01:03:12,470 --> 01:03:08,720
it's terrifying and i will tell you

1639
01:03:16,309 --> 01:03:12,480
that about 25 years ago i got read into

1640
01:03:17,910 --> 01:03:16,319
very detailed aspects of this but that

1641
01:03:20,950 --> 01:03:17,920
there's one little section in the movie

1642
01:03:24,069 --> 01:03:20,960
unacknowledged where when i ask uh

1643
01:03:25,270 --> 01:03:24,079
dodie about this he says yes that is but

1644
01:03:27,430 --> 01:03:25,280
i can't talk about that's still an

1645
01:03:29,750 --> 01:03:27,440
ongoing program and i'm talk and i at

1646
01:03:33,990 --> 01:03:29,760
the question was about abductions being

1647
01:03:37,190 --> 01:03:34,000
staged by military and corporate and

1648
01:03:39,750 --> 01:03:37,200
aspects of this uh secret program for

1649
01:03:42,230 --> 01:03:39,760
its psychological warfare value so

1650
01:03:45,430 --> 01:03:42,240
here's the problem people have had real

1651
01:03:48,069 --> 01:03:45,440
contact with et's sometimes those people

1652
01:03:49,349 --> 01:03:48,079
will be subsequently targeted with a

1653
01:03:51,029 --> 01:03:49,359
abduction

1654
01:03:53,349 --> 01:03:51,039
that scares the hell out of them and

1655
01:03:55,990 --> 01:03:53,359
then alters their view of the et

1656
01:03:57,510 --> 01:03:56,000
presence this isn't hard to do by the

1657
01:03:59,190 --> 01:03:57,520
way and

1658
01:04:01,109 --> 01:03:59,200
unfortunately

1659
01:04:02,870 --> 01:04:01,119
this when when the man who read the end

1660
01:04:04,390 --> 01:04:02,880
of this initially and i sense that found

1661
01:04:08,789 --> 01:04:04,400
dozens of people who've been in these

1662
01:04:10,710 --> 01:04:08,799
usaps who have used man-made looking uh

1663
01:04:12,230 --> 01:04:10,720
things that look like a ufo but they're

1664
01:04:14,710 --> 01:04:12,240
man-made

1665
01:04:16,870 --> 01:04:14,720
and using electronic warfare and

1666
01:04:18,950 --> 01:04:16,880
chemical systems and what have you

1667
01:04:20,630 --> 01:04:18,960
to do abductions the one of the ones

1668
01:04:22,789 --> 01:04:20,640
that that dodi if you look at his full

1669
01:04:25,109 --> 01:04:22,799
interview that's on the itunes

1670
01:04:26,950 --> 01:04:25,119
uh store that's that's the the special

1671
01:04:29,109 --> 01:04:26,960
feature that goes with unacknowledged on

1672
01:04:31,190 --> 01:04:29,119
itunes you'll see that he talks about

1673
01:04:33,990 --> 01:04:31,200
that one of them was one out in i think

1674
01:04:37,190 --> 01:04:34,000
it was in washington state where some

1675
01:04:38,950 --> 01:04:37,200
poor civilians saw a classified aircraft

1676
01:04:41,349 --> 01:04:38,960
that we had that's like one of these

1677
01:04:43,270 --> 01:04:41,359
anti-gravs levitation devices that

1678
01:04:45,910 --> 01:04:43,280
shouldn't have they sent out an

1679
01:04:48,150 --> 01:04:45,920
intercept team that then simulated an

1680
01:04:49,910 --> 01:04:48,160
alien abduction so that these people

1681
01:04:52,710 --> 01:04:49,920
would think it was something e.t and not

1682
01:04:54,390 --> 01:04:52,720
ours because the only thing jimmy more

1683
01:04:56,069 --> 01:04:54,400
explosive than the fact that we're being

1684
01:04:59,029 --> 01:04:56,079
visited by extraterrestrial

1685
01:05:00,470 --> 01:04:59,039
civilizations is that there are is an

1686
01:05:02,950 --> 01:05:00,480
illegal

1687
01:05:05,750 --> 01:05:02,960
group of people that have

1688
01:05:08,150 --> 01:05:05,760
figured out a lot of the energy and

1689
01:05:10,549 --> 01:05:08,160
propulsion systems of it and are keeping

1690
01:05:12,710 --> 01:05:10,559
it not only secret on the public but

1691
01:05:14,789 --> 01:05:12,720
they're keeping it secret from admiral

1692
01:05:16,870 --> 01:05:14,799
wilson they're keeping it secret from

1693
01:05:19,510 --> 01:05:16,880
general patrick hughes they're keeping

1694
01:05:21,990 --> 01:05:19,520
it secret from people who have to

1695
01:05:24,390 --> 01:05:22,000
execute the orders of the president when

1696
01:05:25,829 --> 01:05:24,400
they're ordered into battle someplace

1697
01:05:28,549 --> 01:05:25,839
and they don't have access to that

1698
01:05:31,349 --> 01:05:28,559
knowledge and technology that is a

1699
01:05:34,390 --> 01:05:31,359
serious threat to freedom and democracy

1700
01:05:37,589 --> 01:05:34,400
exactly what eisenhower warned us about

1701
01:05:39,750 --> 01:05:37,599
in his farewell speech in 1961 as he

1702
01:05:42,549 --> 01:05:39,760
left office when he said beware the

1703
01:05:44,950 --> 01:05:42,559
military industrial complex well and

1704
01:05:47,670 --> 01:05:44,960
with this big roll out you know this

1705
01:05:49,829 --> 01:05:47,680
disclosure narrative uh with the

1706
01:05:52,470 --> 01:05:49,839
mainstream media and everything else

1707
01:05:55,750 --> 01:05:52,480
that is happening all at the same time

1708
01:05:56,630 --> 01:05:55,760
these are decisions that uh have been in

1709
01:05:59,109 --> 01:05:56,640
play

1710
01:05:59,990 --> 01:05:59,119
for quite a while the script has been

1711
01:06:03,349 --> 01:06:00,000
written

1712
01:06:05,109 --> 01:06:03,359
uh for such a scenario of i've two

1713
01:06:08,069 --> 01:06:05,119
questions i have two questions for you

1714
01:06:10,230 --> 01:06:08,079
on that one who who actually

1715
01:06:13,109 --> 01:06:10,240
would be doing it that's that's the

1716
01:06:15,510 --> 01:06:13,119
first thing and but the second reason is

1717
01:06:17,670 --> 01:06:15,520
or the second question is why

1718
01:06:19,589 --> 01:06:17,680
is it are they trying to get out in

1719
01:06:22,549 --> 01:06:19,599
front of something that they are not in

1720
01:06:24,950 --> 01:06:22,559
control of anymore so let's let's let's

1721
01:06:28,950 --> 01:06:24,960
do the question one first

1722
01:06:32,710 --> 01:06:30,630
it's written by magic the majority

1723
01:06:34,549 --> 01:06:32,720
intelligence committee and and senior

1724
01:06:37,029 --> 01:06:34,559
people on that committee

1725
01:06:39,349 --> 01:06:37,039
who um have this gamed out like you

1726
01:06:41,670 --> 01:06:39,359
would a war game but you know in 38

1727
01:06:43,109 --> 01:06:41,680
dimensions way in every possible

1728
01:06:45,109 --> 01:06:43,119
scenario

1729
01:06:46,150 --> 01:06:45,119
with computer simulations and i you know

1730
01:06:48,390 --> 01:06:46,160
this is literally how it's been

1731
01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:48,400
described to me so that

1732
01:06:52,630 --> 01:06:50,640
we do something with unacknowledged they

1733
01:06:54,309 --> 01:06:52,640
form something that puts information out

1734
01:06:57,190 --> 01:06:54,319
through mainstream but puts this spin on

1735
01:06:59,910 --> 01:06:57,200
it it's a point counterpoint remember on

1736
01:07:01,270 --> 01:06:59,920
may 9th 2001 we did the national press

1737
01:07:04,069 --> 01:07:01,280
club event

1738
01:07:05,589 --> 01:07:04,079
almost 800 million people globally ended

1739
01:07:06,710 --> 01:07:05,599
up seeing that in various media around

1740
01:07:10,309 --> 01:07:06,720
the world

1741
01:07:11,349 --> 01:07:10,319
uh four months later we had 911.

1742
01:07:13,190 --> 01:07:11,359
the

1743
01:07:15,430 --> 01:07:13,200
s okay so

1744
01:07:16,870 --> 01:07:15,440
okay stop right there right now if you

1745
01:07:18,710 --> 01:07:16,880
if you if you think that was a

1746
01:07:21,510 --> 01:07:18,720
coincidence

1747
01:07:23,029 --> 01:07:21,520
uh i've got a swamp land to sell you in

1748
01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:23,039
florida

1749
01:07:27,190 --> 01:07:26,160
and so that narrative is then passed on

1750
01:07:29,990 --> 01:07:27,200
to

1751
01:07:33,589 --> 01:07:30,000
mouthpieces like chris mellon

1752
01:07:35,910 --> 01:07:33,599
and and he can only go so far no i i

1753
01:07:38,309 --> 01:07:35,920
don't know i think he those people would

1754
01:07:39,670 --> 01:07:38,319
have let's say it's like blind people

1755
01:07:41,430 --> 01:07:39,680
holding on to different parts of the

1756
01:07:44,309 --> 01:07:41,440
elephant sure you know someone like

1757
01:07:45,510 --> 01:07:44,319
that's holding on to one hair hanging

1758
01:07:47,430 --> 01:07:45,520
off the ear

1759
01:07:49,510 --> 01:07:47,440
uh like chris mellon they don't have

1760
01:07:51,670 --> 01:07:49,520
this kind of picture but they have their

1761
01:07:54,150 --> 01:07:51,680
orders and they do what they're told

1762
01:07:56,230 --> 01:07:54,160
and that would be thing true of people

1763
01:07:58,150 --> 01:07:56,240
like how put off it'd be the same thing

1764
01:08:00,630 --> 01:07:58,160
i don't want to get into names the point

1765
01:08:03,910 --> 01:08:00,640
is is that that's how compartmentalized

1766
01:08:06,870 --> 01:08:03,920
intelligence works special compartmented

1767
01:08:08,309 --> 01:08:06,880
information top c ts fci top secret

1768
01:08:11,029 --> 01:08:08,319
special compartment

1769
01:08:13,029 --> 01:08:11,039
intelligence and information you do not

1770
01:08:14,230 --> 01:08:13,039
very few people now there's this one man

1771
01:08:15,990 --> 01:08:14,240
i've recently

1772
01:08:18,709 --> 01:08:16,000
uh debriefed

1773
01:08:19,669 --> 01:08:18,719
who was in the technology management

1774
01:08:22,149 --> 01:08:19,679
office

1775
01:08:26,390 --> 01:08:22,159
of the sub-basement of the pentagon for

1776
01:08:28,709 --> 01:08:26,400
10 years uh and he had baseline

1777
01:08:30,789 --> 01:08:28,719
clearance across 18

1778
01:08:32,309 --> 01:08:30,799
of these usaps unacknowledged special

1779
01:08:34,470 --> 01:08:32,319
access projects

1780
01:08:37,749 --> 01:08:34,480
because he had to for a special project

1781
01:08:41,030 --> 01:08:37,759
he was doing and so he has been sharing

1782
01:08:43,430 --> 01:08:41,040
with me granular information about what

1783
01:08:47,110 --> 01:08:43,440
he learned from these various facilities

1784
01:08:48,390 --> 01:08:47,120
and operations but most people are in a

1785
01:08:50,229 --> 01:08:48,400
very

1786
01:08:51,510 --> 01:08:50,239
tightly controlled like her medically

1787
01:08:54,630 --> 01:08:51,520
sealed

1788
01:08:57,189 --> 01:08:54,640
use app there are very few points of of

1789
01:08:59,189 --> 01:08:57,199
going in and out of that usap most

1790
01:09:01,829 --> 01:08:59,199
people in one usapp don't even know the

1791
01:09:03,669 --> 01:09:01,839
other one exists

1792
01:09:05,590 --> 01:09:03,679
give you an example

1793
01:09:07,829 --> 01:09:05,600
you know wilson is referring to this

1794
01:09:10,309 --> 01:09:07,839
where there's certainly he says well

1795
01:09:11,110 --> 01:09:10,319
you know that's all that person knew

1796
01:09:14,149 --> 01:09:11,120
or

1797
01:09:15,510 --> 01:09:14,159
this is all i can comment it's because

1798
01:09:17,910 --> 01:09:15,520
very it's

1799
01:09:20,149 --> 01:09:17,920
structured so that those that sort of

1800
01:09:22,550 --> 01:09:20,159
nearing the top of the pyramid would

1801
01:09:25,030 --> 01:09:22,560
have a higher view of what's going on in

1802
01:09:27,030 --> 01:09:25,040
all the base corners but people who are

1803
01:09:29,590 --> 01:09:27,040
in a usap

1804
01:09:31,510 --> 01:09:29,600
not cleared to to what's called baseline

1805
01:09:34,070 --> 01:09:31,520
clearance across the number of them

1806
01:09:36,070 --> 01:09:34,080
would only have a very tiny portion that

1807
01:09:38,149 --> 01:09:36,080
they would know about now when you deal

1808
01:09:39,829 --> 01:09:38,159
with counter intelligence

1809
01:09:41,349 --> 01:09:39,839
you know mouthpieces who are saying

1810
01:09:43,590 --> 01:09:41,359
things to the public

1811
01:09:47,030 --> 01:09:43,600
they're being told to tell the public a

1812
01:09:48,870 --> 01:09:47,040
very specific script and they know that

1813
01:09:51,110 --> 01:09:48,880
they're not even to ask

1814
01:09:53,430 --> 01:09:51,120
what's behind it all they're just doing

1815
01:09:55,430 --> 01:09:53,440
their their job they have a role to play

1816
01:09:57,110 --> 01:09:55,440
let's call it and it's a very limited

1817
01:09:58,950 --> 01:09:57,120
role i have a different role i'm not

1818
01:10:00,550 --> 01:09:58,960
part of the government my role is to try

1819
01:10:02,470 --> 01:10:00,560
to put this whole

1820
01:10:04,470 --> 01:10:02,480
big mosaic together and come up with

1821
01:10:06,550 --> 01:10:04,480
something you know an assessment and i

1822
01:10:09,590 --> 01:10:06,560
do the best i can with the resources i

1823
01:10:12,149 --> 01:10:09,600
have but most of these people would not

1824
01:10:14,709 --> 01:10:12,159
have that kind of access to i've met

1825
01:10:15,910 --> 01:10:14,719
extremely few people who have had

1826
01:10:17,030 --> 01:10:15,920
clearance

1827
01:10:20,630 --> 01:10:17,040
out of

1828
01:10:23,430 --> 01:10:20,640
more than one use app and so

1829
01:10:24,310 --> 01:10:23,440
even the way if you look at what was

1830
01:10:25,990 --> 01:10:24,320
shared

1831
01:10:28,950 --> 01:10:26,000
uh

1832
01:10:30,390 --> 01:10:28,960
about the so-called area 51

1833
01:10:33,189 --> 01:10:30,400
the area the things where they're

1834
01:10:34,229 --> 01:10:33,199
working on man-made advanced propulsion

1835
01:10:36,550 --> 01:10:34,239
systems

1836
01:10:38,149 --> 01:10:36,560
is hermetically sealed and those people

1837
01:10:40,709 --> 01:10:38,159
have nothing to do

1838
01:10:42,790 --> 01:10:40,719
with uh the the folks who are working in

1839
01:10:44,630 --> 01:10:42,800
the underground facility sort of

1840
01:10:47,750 --> 01:10:44,640
horseshoe shape

1841
01:10:50,229 --> 01:10:47,760
that's uh dealing with the ep craft that

1842
01:10:53,750 --> 01:10:50,239
they're studying and there's a facility

1843
01:10:55,990 --> 01:10:53,760
in near lawton oklahoma at fort sill

1844
01:10:57,590 --> 01:10:56,000
near fort sill where there's a downed ep

1845
01:10:59,270 --> 01:10:57,600
craft that's in an underground facility

1846
01:11:01,510 --> 01:10:59,280
where they're trying to figure out how

1847
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:01,520
these objects quote cloak and uncloak or

1848
01:11:05,669 --> 01:11:04,320
materialize and be materialized and you

1849
01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:05,679
know i've been

1850
01:11:10,950 --> 01:11:08,400
read into the specifics of where that is

1851
01:11:13,830 --> 01:11:10,960
the size of the craft the

1852
01:11:16,630 --> 01:11:13,840
the contractors that are studying it

1853
01:11:18,310 --> 01:11:16,640
and all that kind of stuff now the man

1854
01:11:20,310 --> 01:11:18,320
who provided that information to me i

1855
01:11:23,189 --> 01:11:20,320
would love for him to come on your show

1856
01:11:25,830 --> 01:11:23,199
but he's terrified and so

1857
01:11:27,510 --> 01:11:25,840
the best i can say to people is i

1858
01:11:29,510 --> 01:11:27,520
faithfully convey

1859
01:11:30,950 --> 01:11:29,520
as shocking and as far out as some of

1860
01:11:33,510 --> 01:11:30,960
this stuff is

1861
01:11:34,870 --> 01:11:33,520
the truth as i have been able to confirm

1862
01:11:37,110 --> 01:11:34,880
it to be

1863
01:11:38,950 --> 01:11:37,120
all right so the second part of the

1864
01:11:41,350 --> 01:11:38,960
question then and that that was an

1865
01:11:42,790 --> 01:11:41,360
excellent answer by the way uh very

1866
01:11:45,910 --> 01:11:42,800
thought-provoking

1867
01:11:48,550 --> 01:11:45,920
the second part of the question was uh

1868
01:11:49,990 --> 01:11:48,560
why now are they trying to get out in

1869
01:11:52,790 --> 01:11:50,000
front of something that they can't

1870
01:11:56,550 --> 01:11:54,390
well there are couple things happening

1871
01:11:57,430 --> 01:11:56,560
one is

1872
01:12:00,070 --> 01:11:57,440
what

1873
01:12:03,030 --> 01:12:00,080
our project has been doing

1874
01:12:05,110 --> 01:12:03,040
has put this on a radar to the point

1875
01:12:08,070 --> 01:12:05,120
most public certainly no one in the ufo

1876
01:12:09,669 --> 01:12:08,080
community knows i hear from

1877
01:12:11,910 --> 01:12:09,679
let's just say

1878
01:12:13,910 --> 01:12:11,920
very prominent people all over the world

1879
01:12:15,830 --> 01:12:13,920
all the time who are clicking on

1880
01:12:18,229 --> 01:12:15,840
unacknowledged on netflix

1881
01:12:21,189 --> 01:12:18,239
and they're going what the [\h__\h] excuse

1882
01:12:23,830 --> 01:12:21,199
my french um what the hell is going on

1883
01:12:26,470 --> 01:12:23,840
here so what's happening is that they're

1884
01:12:28,550 --> 01:12:26,480
trying to contain the narrative by doing

1885
01:12:31,110 --> 01:12:28,560
a countermeasure through the mainstream

1886
01:12:32,310 --> 01:12:31,120
media that's one thing the other one is

1887
01:12:34,229 --> 01:12:32,320
and they know that this has been a

1888
01:12:36,630 --> 01:12:34,239
long-term project

1889
01:12:40,070 --> 01:12:36,640
the only thing more devastating to the

1890
01:12:43,030 --> 01:12:40,080
agenda of these sociopaths

1891
01:12:45,990 --> 01:12:43,040
uh who have been maintaining the secrecy

1892
01:12:47,669 --> 01:12:46,000
than the disclosure effort is the close

1893
01:12:51,030 --> 01:12:47,679
encounters of the fifth kind effort go

1894
01:12:52,470 --> 01:12:51,040
to ce5 film dot com when you get and

1895
01:12:54,310 --> 01:12:52,480
this is what we're planning to do when

1896
01:12:56,070 --> 01:12:54,320
it comes out later this year

1897
01:12:58,550 --> 01:12:56,080
when you have

1898
01:12:59,590 --> 01:12:58,560
50 million 100 million 200 million

1899
01:13:02,830 --> 01:12:59,600
people

1900
01:13:05,110 --> 01:13:02,840
learn that using non-local

1901
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:05,120
consciousness remote viewing and

1902
01:13:08,390 --> 01:13:07,440
coherent thought if you do it within a

1903
01:13:10,070 --> 01:13:08,400
certain

1904
01:13:12,149 --> 01:13:10,080
ethical

1905
01:13:13,590 --> 01:13:12,159
construct a peaceful contact

1906
01:13:16,149 --> 01:13:13,600
non-violence

1907
01:13:17,750 --> 01:13:16,159
you will have contact happen and when a

1908
01:13:19,590 --> 01:13:17,760
certain number of people do that you're

1909
01:13:20,630 --> 01:13:19,600
going to hit the tipping point that one

1910
01:13:21,990 --> 01:13:20,640
percent

1911
01:13:23,830 --> 01:13:22,000
quantum

1912
01:13:25,910 --> 01:13:23,840
leap factor that they talk about in

1913
01:13:29,110 --> 01:13:25,920
physics that one percent

1914
01:13:30,830 --> 01:13:29,120
phase transition that happens and there

1915
01:13:33,669 --> 01:13:30,840
is going to be a

1916
01:13:36,310 --> 01:13:33,679
massive amount of activity that happens

1917
01:13:37,669 --> 01:13:36,320
uh that are a direct contact and that's

1918
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:37,679
what the et's are waiting everyone said

1919
01:13:40,950 --> 01:13:38,880
why don't they land on the white house

1920
01:13:42,790 --> 01:13:40,960
law and blah blah blah larry king asked

1921
01:13:44,630 --> 01:13:42,800
me that everybody asked me if there's no

1922
01:13:46,470 --> 01:13:44,640
offense dumbest question ever right

1923
01:13:49,510 --> 01:13:46,480
they're waiting for someone to they're

1924
01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:49,520
waiting for someone to answer them back

1925
01:13:51,990 --> 01:13:51,120
because they've been answered with

1926
01:13:53,189 --> 01:13:52,000
either

1927
01:13:54,790 --> 01:13:53,199
denial

1928
01:13:57,830 --> 01:13:54,800
defamation

1929
01:13:59,430 --> 01:13:57,840
being shot at downed hit by electronic

1930
01:14:01,669 --> 01:13:59,440
weapon systems all the way back to

1931
01:14:03,510 --> 01:14:01,679
roswell which was an electromagnetic

1932
01:14:05,830 --> 01:14:03,520
weapon hit by the way

1933
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:05,840
and they're waiting for some people to

1934
01:14:10,470 --> 01:14:08,320
organize on this planet that can be

1935
01:14:12,149 --> 01:14:10,480
diplomatic and peaceful and reach out to

1936
01:14:14,149 --> 01:14:12,159
them that's what these civilizations are

1937
01:14:16,709 --> 01:14:14,159
waiting for it's not complicated jimmy

1938
01:14:20,310 --> 01:14:16,719
and so when this ce5 film comes out and

1939
01:14:23,110 --> 01:14:20,320
ce5 is a term i coined back in 1990 to

1940
01:14:25,910 --> 01:14:23,120
describe human initiated peaceful

1941
01:14:28,870 --> 01:14:25,920
contact with these civilizations that is

1942
01:14:30,470 --> 01:14:28,880
done by a group of people

1943
01:14:32,149 --> 01:14:30,480
it can be done individually but by a

1944
01:14:35,110 --> 01:14:32,159
group of people to further the

1945
01:14:37,350 --> 01:14:35,120
relationship a beneficial relationship

1946
01:14:39,110 --> 01:14:37,360
between humans and these civilizations

1947
01:14:41,350 --> 01:14:39,120
when a critical number of those people

1948
01:14:43,910 --> 01:14:41,360
do that because of the power of

1949
01:14:46,870 --> 01:14:43,920
consciousness shifting the morphogenic

1950
01:14:48,470 --> 01:14:46,880
field shifting time space matter all of

1951
01:14:49,750 --> 01:14:48,480
it gets shifted through higher

1952
01:14:52,470 --> 01:14:49,760
consciousness

1953
01:14:54,550 --> 01:14:52,480
that is going to cause a transition

1954
01:14:56,310 --> 01:14:54,560
and a ramping up of this and that they

1955
01:14:58,630 --> 01:14:56,320
know that's what we're working on that's

1956
01:15:00,870 --> 01:14:58,640
what we're crowdfunding right now and go

1957
01:15:03,270 --> 01:15:00,880
to ce5film.com and you know if you can

1958
01:15:05,350 --> 01:15:03,280
do a dollar fine we need to get support

1959
01:15:07,350 --> 01:15:05,360
for this because when that comes out

1960
01:15:09,750 --> 01:15:07,360
if enough people actually

1961
01:15:12,550 --> 01:15:09,760
turn off the tv set and no offense the

1962
01:15:14,070 --> 01:15:12,560
internet and go outside and do this

1963
01:15:16,310 --> 01:15:14,080
these events are going to happen all

1964
01:15:19,830 --> 01:15:16,320
over the world at a pace that's going to

1965
01:15:20,790 --> 01:15:19,840
be the ultimate disclosure why

1966
01:15:23,110 --> 01:15:20,800
because

1967
01:15:25,510 --> 01:15:23,120
the disclosure that is most likely to

1968
01:15:28,149 --> 01:15:25,520
happen from the congress the president

1969
01:15:29,669 --> 01:15:28,159
the mainstream media is going to be

1970
01:15:31,830 --> 01:15:29,679
let's call it a fake disclosure it's

1971
01:15:34,550 --> 01:15:31,840
going to be disclosure spun

1972
01:15:35,910 --> 01:15:34,560
by a narrative of fear that's going to

1973
01:15:37,750 --> 01:15:35,920
just benefit

1974
01:15:39,830 --> 01:15:37,760
the same military-industrial complex

1975
01:15:41,669 --> 01:15:39,840
that's been run the secrecy to start

1976
01:15:44,790 --> 01:15:41,679
with the only way you're going to change

1977
01:15:47,510 --> 01:15:44,800
that dynamic is for we the people to

1978
01:15:49,910 --> 01:15:47,520
seize the control over this issue and do

1979
01:15:51,990 --> 01:15:49,920
the right thing and just leave

1980
01:15:53,510 --> 01:15:52,000
the government behind you know i know it

1981
01:15:55,750 --> 01:15:53,520
sounds terribly libertarian but you just

1982
01:15:57,750 --> 01:15:55,760
leave them behind you say adios amigos

1983
01:16:00,550 --> 01:15:57,760
we're going to make contact you guys

1984
01:16:02,229 --> 01:16:00,560
have a good time with your silly games

1985
01:16:04,070 --> 01:16:02,239
the uh

1986
01:16:05,270 --> 01:16:04,080
man okay this conversation is going to

1987
01:16:08,870 --> 01:16:05,280
get a little

1988
01:16:10,470 --> 01:16:08,880
uh in that

1989
01:16:11,750 --> 01:16:10,480
this document

1990
01:16:13,270 --> 01:16:11,760
names

1991
01:16:16,709 --> 01:16:13,280
about half

1992
01:16:19,430 --> 01:16:16,719
of the crew over at ttsa i don't want to

1993
01:16:22,950 --> 01:16:19,440
speak specifically about ttsa

1994
01:16:24,070 --> 01:16:22,960
but the crew itself over there with all

1995
01:16:25,350 --> 01:16:24,080
of the

1996
01:16:26,790 --> 01:16:25,360
uh

1997
01:16:30,229 --> 01:16:26,800
um

1998
01:16:32,950 --> 01:16:30,239
direct pentagon and cia connections

1999
01:16:35,350 --> 01:16:32,960
at what point do we trust the narrative

2000
01:16:37,750 --> 01:16:35,360
that is coming out of washington dc

2001
01:16:39,430 --> 01:16:37,760
right now or do we not trust what is

2002
01:16:41,189 --> 01:16:39,440
happening

2003
01:16:44,630 --> 01:16:41,199
you cannot trust it is what we said as

2004
01:16:46,870 --> 01:16:44,640
soon as that thing surfaced look i was

2005
01:16:48,550 --> 01:16:46,880
i personally introduced tom delong and

2006
01:16:50,070 --> 01:16:48,560
all those folks to the subject way back

2007
01:16:52,310 --> 01:16:50,080
when he was very young

2008
01:16:54,229 --> 01:16:52,320
i i was on stage with him as they

2009
01:16:55,750 --> 01:16:54,239
performed at the melon arena in

2010
01:16:58,229 --> 01:16:55,760
pittsburgh with my three of my four

2011
01:16:59,110 --> 01:16:58,239
daughters what i'm concerned about is

2012
01:17:00,149 --> 01:16:59,120
that

2013
01:17:05,510 --> 01:17:00,159
people

2014
01:17:07,830 --> 01:17:05,520
read into usap are victims of

2015
01:17:10,630 --> 01:17:07,840
a certain let's call it cherry-picking

2016
01:17:13,750 --> 01:17:10,640
of intelligence like we did on 911 and

2017
01:17:16,550 --> 01:17:13,760
the iraq war where it's presented

2018
01:17:18,229 --> 01:17:16,560
with a foregone conclusion in the case

2019
01:17:19,350 --> 01:17:18,239
of what's happening with ttsa you have

2020
01:17:22,709 --> 01:17:19,360
people there

2021
01:17:24,630 --> 01:17:22,719
who are given orders to present certain

2022
01:17:27,270 --> 01:17:24,640
information with a certain narrative

2023
01:17:30,870 --> 01:17:27,280
spin and that is absolutely being

2024
01:17:33,990 --> 01:17:30,880
directed from people inside the cabal

2025
01:17:37,030 --> 01:17:34,000
inside magic majestic 12 it's actually

2026
01:17:38,470 --> 01:17:37,040
called magic majority m-a-j-i-c majority

2027
01:17:41,910 --> 01:17:38,480
intelligence committee

2028
01:17:43,750 --> 01:17:41,920
and what i'm concerned about is that

2029
01:17:46,470 --> 01:17:43,760
that is something that people say well

2030
01:17:49,590 --> 01:17:46,480
isn't it a good thing well actually

2031
01:17:52,550 --> 01:17:49,600
a disclosure that serves the long-term

2032
01:17:54,950 --> 01:17:52,560
agenda of global destruction and

2033
01:17:57,590 --> 01:17:54,960
interplanetary war is worse than the

2034
01:18:01,189 --> 01:17:57,600
secrecy so the answer to that is a

2035
01:18:02,630 --> 01:18:01,199
definitive no a disclosure that is

2036
01:18:04,070 --> 01:18:02,640
tailor-made

2037
01:18:06,470 --> 01:18:04,080
to serve

2038
01:18:09,030 --> 01:18:06,480
the controllers the cabal that's been

2039
01:18:11,189 --> 01:18:09,040
running scams on us for decades that is

2040
01:18:13,350 --> 01:18:11,199
not a disclosure that is going to be

2041
01:18:14,709 --> 01:18:13,360
edifying to the public it's going to be

2042
01:18:17,110 --> 01:18:14,719
very

2043
01:18:19,669 --> 01:18:17,120
destructive to the human future and we

2044
01:18:21,590 --> 01:18:19,679
need to be very careful and that's why i

2045
01:18:25,350 --> 01:18:21,600
don't really care about ufo politics

2046
01:18:28,149 --> 01:18:25,360
personalities blah blah i do care about

2047
01:18:29,189 --> 01:18:28,159
how this issue is presented to the

2048
01:18:31,189 --> 01:18:29,199
public

2049
01:18:33,189 --> 01:18:31,199
and if it's presented in a way that

2050
01:18:36,790 --> 01:18:33,199
leads us down the path

2051
01:18:39,110 --> 01:18:36,800
of conflict and hatred and war all i can

2052
01:18:41,270 --> 01:18:39,120
say is that future is going to be much

2053
01:18:44,149 --> 01:18:41,280
worse than our past which has been

2054
01:18:45,830 --> 01:18:44,159
scary enough with two world wars so i

2055
01:18:47,830 --> 01:18:45,840
think that this is why

2056
01:18:49,510 --> 01:18:47,840
anyone of good will and conscience has

2057
01:18:50,950 --> 01:18:49,520
to look at this and ask

2058
01:18:53,830 --> 01:18:50,960
why are these people who have been

2059
01:18:57,189 --> 01:18:53,840
involved in these this cabal with their

2060
01:18:58,870 --> 01:18:57,199
operations for 30 years 40 years coming

2061
01:19:01,110 --> 01:18:58,880
forward putting things out there that we

2062
01:19:02,709 --> 01:19:01,120
know are half-truths and then spinning

2063
01:19:05,030 --> 01:19:02,719
it in the direction

2064
01:19:07,590 --> 01:19:05,040
of a narrative of a threat or a

2065
01:19:08,950 --> 01:19:07,600
violation of our sovereignty as chris

2066
01:19:11,110 --> 01:19:08,960
mellon said

2067
01:19:12,709 --> 01:19:11,120
in his interview on fox

2068
01:19:14,790 --> 01:19:12,719
when in reality

2069
01:19:16,870 --> 01:19:14,800
no such thing is happening i'll give you

2070
01:19:18,709 --> 01:19:16,880
another example jimmy remember i put

2071
01:19:20,630 --> 01:19:18,719
together a lot of folks who had been in

2072
01:19:22,310 --> 01:19:20,640
nuclear facilities

2073
01:19:23,270 --> 01:19:22,320
where there have been et craft that came

2074
01:19:25,189 --> 01:19:23,280
over

2075
01:19:28,149 --> 01:19:25,199
in the minot north dakota the case you

2076
01:19:29,590 --> 01:19:28,159
know you had you know 18 maybe 20 uh

2077
01:19:31,669 --> 01:19:29,600
intercontinental ballistic missiles

2078
01:19:32,950 --> 01:19:31,679
taken offline they couldn't be launched

2079
01:19:35,270 --> 01:19:32,960
but you know

2080
01:19:36,390 --> 01:19:35,280
one of the officers in there a captain

2081
01:19:38,870 --> 01:19:36,400
said

2082
01:19:39,750 --> 01:19:38,880
what he felt from from that event was

2083
01:19:42,070 --> 01:19:39,760
that

2084
01:19:44,149 --> 01:19:42,080
the eps were saying please don't destroy

2085
01:19:46,470 --> 01:19:44,159
this beautiful planet but if you do

2086
01:19:48,550 --> 01:19:46,480
launch all these missiles we could

2087
01:19:51,350 --> 01:19:48,560
neutralize them so the earth itself

2088
01:19:53,590 --> 01:19:51,360
isn't destroyed uh and turned into a

2089
01:19:55,350 --> 01:19:53,600
just a radioactive radioactive blob

2090
01:19:56,870 --> 01:19:55,360
floating through space

2091
01:19:59,110 --> 01:19:56,880
the same thing was happening in the

2092
01:20:00,790 --> 01:19:59,120
soviet union during the cold war

2093
01:20:03,830 --> 01:20:00,800
uh this was the 80s when that event

2094
01:20:05,669 --> 01:20:03,840
happened uh in north dakota now there

2095
01:20:07,990 --> 01:20:05,679
are other people who come along in the

2096
01:20:10,870 --> 01:20:08,000
disclosure movement taking those same

2097
01:20:13,590 --> 01:20:10,880
witnesses the same event and spun it as

2098
01:20:16,630 --> 01:20:13,600
a threat to our national security right

2099
01:20:19,750 --> 01:20:16,640
so you can take the same set of facts

2100
01:20:21,590 --> 01:20:19,760
and spin them in a direction that serves

2101
01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:21,600
the secret keepers

2102
01:20:26,950 --> 01:20:24,480
the majestic 12. and that is what we're

2103
01:20:28,790 --> 01:20:26,960
seeing happen and that's why i've been

2104
01:20:30,790 --> 01:20:28,800
raising this sort of like a paul revere

2105
01:20:33,430 --> 01:20:30,800
call here people got to be careful of

2106
01:20:35,030 --> 01:20:33,440
this and you can't just say gee can't we

2107
01:20:37,830 --> 01:20:35,040
just all get along you know sort of a

2108
01:20:39,510 --> 01:20:37,840
rodney king moment or something and and

2109
01:20:41,510 --> 01:20:39,520
you know just go along with anything

2110
01:20:44,950 --> 01:20:41,520
that's put out there with any spin

2111
01:20:47,030 --> 01:20:44,960
no actually because as i wrote back in

2112
01:20:49,430 --> 01:20:47,040
1999

2113
01:20:51,669 --> 01:20:49,440
the disclosure that serves secrecy would

2114
01:20:54,470 --> 01:20:51,679
be this kind of event happening but

2115
01:20:56,390 --> 01:20:54,480
would be destructive to the human future

2116
01:20:57,430 --> 01:20:56,400
we want to have a disclosure that is

2117
01:20:59,189 --> 01:20:57,440
hopeful

2118
01:21:02,550 --> 01:20:59,199
that is truthful

2119
01:21:05,350 --> 01:21:02,560
that says that we need to go forward in

2120
01:21:07,910 --> 01:21:05,360
space peacefully without weapons we need

2121
01:21:10,229 --> 01:21:07,920
to make contact with these civilizations

2122
01:21:13,189 --> 01:21:10,239
in an enlightened way not a militaristic

2123
01:21:15,750 --> 01:21:13,199
way and we need these technologies

2124
01:21:18,550 --> 01:21:15,760
not deployed as covert

2125
01:21:21,189 --> 01:21:18,560
weapon systems but is the means to run

2126
01:21:23,110 --> 01:21:21,199
our planet without damaging

2127
01:21:25,510 --> 01:21:23,120
our biosphere and destroying this

2128
01:21:28,229 --> 01:21:25,520
beautiful planet that we all share the

2129
01:21:30,630 --> 01:21:28,239
freer of earth with and so i think

2130
01:21:34,070 --> 01:21:30,640
that's what we need to be focused on but

2131
01:21:35,350 --> 01:21:34,080
if if a disclosure is is what i see

2132
01:21:37,669 --> 01:21:35,360
happening they're pulling a trigger

2133
01:21:39,430 --> 01:21:37,679
through the mainstream media to ramp up

2134
01:21:43,430 --> 01:21:39,440
a disclosure that has

2135
01:21:45,270 --> 01:21:43,440
one part evidence one part spins and if

2136
01:21:46,229 --> 01:21:45,280
that continues on the path that they're

2137
01:21:49,110 --> 01:21:46,239
doing

2138
01:21:51,189 --> 01:21:49,120
we should expect an acceleration of the

2139
01:21:54,310 --> 01:21:51,199
war beat the war mongers let's take a

2140
01:21:56,310 --> 01:21:54,320
break right here dr greer this is fade

2141
01:21:58,470 --> 01:21:56,320
to black our guest tonight dr stephen

2142
01:22:00,470 --> 01:21:58,480
greer i am your host jimmy church we're

2143
01:22:02,550 --> 01:22:00,480
discussing the

2144
01:22:05,189 --> 01:22:02,560
the unbelievable

2145
01:22:06,790 --> 01:22:05,199
davis wilson document leak that happened

2146
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:06,800
last week we'll be right back stay with

2147
01:22:11,130 --> 01:22:19,430
[Music]

2148
01:22:22,790 --> 01:22:20,950
welcome back fade to black i'm real

2149
01:22:24,709 --> 01:22:22,800
jimmy church our guest tonight dr steven

2150
01:22:25,990 --> 01:22:24,719
greer we are talking about the davis

2151
01:22:29,669 --> 01:22:26,000
wilson

2152
01:22:31,830 --> 01:22:29,679
ufo documents that hit the community

2153
01:22:35,110 --> 01:22:31,840
last week

2154
01:22:36,629 --> 01:22:35,120
dr greer uh featured on a couple of

2155
01:22:38,149 --> 01:22:36,639
pages there

2156
01:22:40,149 --> 01:22:38,159
and

2157
01:22:41,910 --> 01:22:40,159
two questions one did you feel

2158
01:22:44,950 --> 01:22:41,920
uncomfortable that you were brought up

2159
01:22:48,790 --> 01:22:44,960
in this in such a public way and two

2160
01:22:52,709 --> 01:22:48,800
have you been contacted uh since the

2161
01:22:54,550 --> 01:22:52,719
the document surfaced

2162
01:22:56,629 --> 01:22:54,560
no i haven't been contacted by the

2163
01:22:58,870 --> 01:22:56,639
principles here and and i it didn't

2164
01:23:00,790 --> 01:22:58,880
bother me look you know i

2165
01:23:02,629 --> 01:23:00,800
there's nothing in there that isn't

2166
01:23:04,950 --> 01:23:02,639
something that i haven't been sharing

2167
01:23:06,550 --> 01:23:04,960
for quite a few years so i i'm happy to

2168
01:23:08,470 --> 01:23:06,560
confirm it in a way i'm glad that

2169
01:23:10,390 --> 01:23:08,480
there's a document that

2170
01:23:13,590 --> 01:23:10,400
confirms this i mean if you look on page

2171
01:23:16,229 --> 01:23:13,600
12 you know um you know when david says

2172
01:23:18,950 --> 01:23:16,239
any politicians and the admiral says no

2173
01:23:20,870 --> 01:23:18,960
no white house name no congressional no

2174
01:23:23,270 --> 01:23:20,880
congressional staffers that he could

2175
01:23:25,750 --> 01:23:23,280
reach in other words the normal people

2176
01:23:28,550 --> 01:23:25,760
who would be overseeing a sensitive

2177
01:23:30,950 --> 01:23:28,560
project weren't involved in on that list

2178
01:23:32,950 --> 01:23:30,960
i mean this is on page 12. and then he's

2179
01:23:34,390 --> 01:23:32,960
you know he's talking about the e.t crap

2180
01:23:37,830 --> 01:23:34,400
you know at first he said was it so

2181
01:23:39,270 --> 01:23:37,840
leader chinese i said no it was actually

2182
01:23:41,430 --> 01:23:39,280
you know which is also something that

2183
01:23:44,310 --> 01:23:41,440
we've been been saying for many years so

2184
01:23:47,110 --> 01:23:44,320
a lot of this is all information that uh

2185
01:23:50,629 --> 01:23:47,120
of course we knew already um and

2186
01:23:53,990 --> 01:23:50,639
uh you know on page 14 you know

2187
01:23:55,669 --> 01:23:54,000
davis says uh back to the bigot list can

2188
01:23:57,669 --> 01:23:55,679
you describe the type of people he's a

2189
01:23:59,990 --> 01:23:57,679
corporate type scientist technicians

2190
01:24:01,830 --> 01:24:00,000
engineers scientists managers and that's

2191
01:24:04,229 --> 01:24:01,840
completely correct the real center of

2192
01:24:06,550 --> 01:24:04,239
power on this is what we started saying

2193
01:24:09,510 --> 01:24:06,560
in the 90s and what we discovered is

2194
01:24:13,189 --> 01:24:09,520
that it's been highly corporatized

2195
01:24:16,550 --> 01:24:13,199
in the usaps interfacing with major

2196
01:24:19,350 --> 01:24:16,560
corporations uh booz allen hamilton

2197
01:24:21,590 --> 01:24:19,360
lockheed skunk works at egng where this

2198
01:24:23,910 --> 01:24:21,600
meeting was by the way

2199
01:24:26,870 --> 01:24:23,920
uh i eg was instrumental in building one

2200
01:24:30,390 --> 01:24:26,880
of the very first anti-gravity craft

2201
01:24:32,310 --> 01:24:30,400
that got operational uh and and so

2202
01:24:34,390 --> 01:24:32,320
uh what i what i what i what's

2203
01:24:36,790 --> 01:24:34,400
interesting about this is that

2204
01:24:38,550 --> 01:24:36,800
it is it's confirmatory of the

2205
01:24:39,510 --> 01:24:38,560
assessment that we've been trying to

2206
01:24:41,510 --> 01:24:39,520
share

2207
01:24:44,470 --> 01:24:41,520
with the public and also i might add

2208
01:24:46,629 --> 01:24:44,480
with politicians and the media for a

2209
01:24:48,790 --> 01:24:46,639
very long time and i think it's useful

2210
01:24:50,870 --> 01:24:48,800
in the sense that

2211
01:24:53,510 --> 01:24:50,880
for politicians

2212
01:24:54,870 --> 01:24:53,520
and people who are not given access to

2213
01:24:57,590 --> 01:24:54,880
these projects

2214
01:25:00,709 --> 01:24:57,600
this is just a data point a confirmation

2215
01:25:03,669 --> 01:25:00,719
of the broad strokes of how this

2216
01:25:05,510 --> 01:25:03,679
usap is operating that it's being run

2217
01:25:07,450 --> 01:25:05,520
illegally that someone like admiral

2218
01:25:09,030 --> 01:25:07,460
wilson and

2219
01:25:11,189 --> 01:25:09,040
[Music]

2220
01:25:13,189 --> 01:25:11,199
left out of the picture when

2221
01:25:15,910 --> 01:25:13,199
constitutionally legally they should

2222
01:25:18,470 --> 01:25:15,920
have had oversight and and he says that

2223
01:25:20,950 --> 01:25:18,480
in no uncertain terms so the admiral

2224
01:25:24,790 --> 01:25:20,960
rei iterates that in more than one place

2225
01:25:26,550 --> 01:25:24,800
in these notes and this is exactly why

2226
01:25:27,990 --> 01:25:26,560
a lot of people ask

2227
01:25:30,709 --> 01:25:28,000
why did you leave your medical

2228
01:25:33,830 --> 01:25:30,719
profession i was begged not to by the

2229
01:25:36,629 --> 01:25:33,840
way by close friends family and a lot of

2230
01:25:39,430 --> 01:25:36,639
folks and i said this is too big of a

2231
01:25:41,189 --> 01:25:39,440
problem i couldn't do what i was doing

2232
01:25:43,270 --> 01:25:41,199
being up all night in an emergency

2233
01:25:44,229 --> 01:25:43,280
department and handled this

2234
01:25:46,310 --> 01:25:44,239
mess

2235
01:25:47,350 --> 01:25:46,320
and so i had to choose

2236
01:25:49,110 --> 01:25:47,360
but

2237
01:25:50,709 --> 01:25:49,120
i had them that that's how big of a

2238
01:25:52,470 --> 01:25:50,719
choice you go talk to anyone who's gone

2239
01:25:54,550 --> 01:25:52,480
to medical school and residency in

2240
01:25:56,709 --> 01:25:54,560
practice and all the years of trying to

2241
01:25:58,950 --> 01:25:56,719
give that up because i understood what

2242
01:26:01,270 --> 01:25:58,960
was at stake here jimmy

2243
01:26:04,070 --> 01:26:01,280
it's a huge thing at stake in the fact

2244
01:26:06,470 --> 01:26:04,080
that this is being mismanaged that some

2245
01:26:09,270 --> 01:26:06,480
of the worst elements that are

2246
01:26:10,870 --> 01:26:09,280
very criminal are running and have

2247
01:26:13,910 --> 01:26:10,880
possession of the most powerful

2248
01:26:17,270 --> 01:26:13,920
technologies and the good folks

2249
01:26:18,709 --> 01:26:17,280
that i have met at the cia and at the

2250
01:26:20,709 --> 01:26:18,719
pentagon and there are a lot of them

2251
01:26:22,790 --> 01:26:20,719
that are you know i'm not one of these

2252
01:26:24,790 --> 01:26:22,800
people just with a broad stroke bashes

2253
01:26:26,310 --> 01:26:24,800
everyone some of the finest people i

2254
01:26:29,110 --> 01:26:26,320
have ever met

2255
01:26:30,070 --> 01:26:29,120
are in the pentagon and armed services

2256
01:26:32,629 --> 01:26:30,080
but

2257
01:26:34,629 --> 01:26:32,639
the ones that i call them the white hat

2258
01:26:36,790 --> 01:26:34,639
like admiral wilson

2259
01:26:37,750 --> 01:26:36,800
are shut out and then they're scared and

2260
01:26:38,870 --> 01:26:37,760
threatened

2261
01:26:39,669 --> 01:26:38,880
and so

2262
01:26:41,830 --> 01:26:39,679
uh

2263
01:26:44,310 --> 01:26:41,840
you know a leak like this confirms what

2264
01:26:47,350 --> 01:26:44,320
we were saying and you know he's retired

2265
01:26:49,510 --> 01:26:47,360
now but remember if he had retired

2266
01:26:52,470 --> 01:26:49,520
having had one or two stars knocked off

2267
01:26:55,350 --> 01:26:52,480
his retirement pay from his years of

2268
01:26:58,149 --> 01:26:55,360
service in the navy as an animal

2269
01:26:59,350 --> 01:26:58,159
would have been greatly reduced and they

2270
01:27:01,510 --> 01:26:59,360
threatened people with that kind of

2271
01:27:02,790 --> 01:27:01,520
stuff and so they just they what they

2272
01:27:04,390 --> 01:27:02,800
end up doing

2273
01:27:05,910 --> 01:27:04,400
you know i've had people of higher rank

2274
01:27:06,950 --> 01:27:05,920
than admiral wilson turn to me and say

2275
01:27:11,189 --> 01:27:06,960
look

2276
01:27:12,310 --> 01:27:11,199
you're asking us to reel in a massive

2277
01:27:14,790 --> 01:27:12,320
whale

2278
01:27:17,110 --> 01:27:14,800
and we have a five pound line we can't

2279
01:27:18,709 --> 01:27:17,120
even pull in a five pound fish here and

2280
01:27:20,790 --> 01:27:18,719
we just don't have the ability to do it

2281
01:27:22,790 --> 01:27:20,800
and we have been stood down i mean it

2282
01:27:24,390 --> 01:27:22,800
was really a telling moment when you

2283
01:27:26,629 --> 01:27:24,400
know i said look we need for your help

2284
01:27:28,550 --> 01:27:26,639
to help us and what have you

2285
01:27:30,870 --> 01:27:28,560
and he's and admiral wilson said towards

2286
01:27:33,750 --> 01:27:30,880
the end of the meeting he says i i've

2287
01:27:35,990 --> 01:27:33,760
been blocked and i can't and the this

2288
01:27:39,110 --> 01:27:36,000
group i have learned have technologies

2289
01:27:40,229 --> 01:27:39,120
that can do circles around any aircraft

2290
01:27:42,709 --> 01:27:40,239
i have

2291
01:27:45,270 --> 01:27:42,719
and yet so i'm out gunned and he flat

2292
01:27:48,229 --> 01:27:45,280
out said i'm out gunned he also said he

2293
01:27:51,430 --> 01:27:48,239
asked me who else have you briefed

2294
01:27:53,030 --> 01:27:51,440
i said well the director of the cia and

2295
01:27:53,669 --> 01:27:53,040
provided the briefing for the president

2296
01:28:02,790 --> 01:27:53,679
and

2297
01:28:03,590 --> 01:28:02,800
i said they're in the same boat you're

2298
01:28:05,270 --> 01:28:03,600
in

2299
01:28:07,030 --> 01:28:05,280
and he just you just seem to look on his

2300
01:28:08,870 --> 01:28:07,040
face like oh my god

2301
01:28:10,070 --> 01:28:08,880
and so he said look you know best of

2302
01:28:11,590 --> 01:28:10,080
luck to you

2303
01:28:13,189 --> 01:28:11,600
hope you can do this you have my

2304
01:28:15,990 --> 01:28:13,199
blessing

2305
01:28:17,990 --> 01:28:16,000
anyone who wants to come forward

2306
01:28:18,950 --> 01:28:18,000
it's absolute and this document proves

2307
01:28:21,830 --> 01:28:18,960
this

2308
01:28:24,709 --> 01:28:21,840
they're not in violation of any law of

2309
01:28:26,229 --> 01:28:24,719
the united states because the underlying

2310
01:28:28,950 --> 01:28:26,239
project that they swore an oath of

2311
01:28:30,790 --> 01:28:28,960
secrecy to is itself a criminal

2312
01:28:31,910 --> 01:28:30,800
enterprise and we can prove it in a

2313
01:28:33,350 --> 01:28:31,920
court of law

2314
01:28:35,830 --> 01:28:33,360
yeah i've heard that i've heard that a

2315
01:28:37,590 --> 01:28:35,840
few times over the last week um oh i

2316
01:28:40,550 --> 01:28:37,600
wanted to ask you this really quick when

2317
01:28:41,350 --> 01:28:40,560
he was discussing uh the core secrets

2318
01:28:48,229 --> 01:28:41,360
and

2319
01:28:51,669 --> 01:28:48,239
contractor uh what's your best guess on

2320
01:28:53,189 --> 01:28:51,679
that is it lockheed martin

2321
01:28:55,990 --> 01:28:53,199
yeah it'd be well it'd be the skunk

2322
01:28:57,990 --> 01:28:56,000
works oh yes concord

2323
01:28:59,669 --> 01:28:58,000
yeah and and that's why it's so funny

2324
01:29:02,550 --> 01:28:59,679
there's on this tts a group there's a

2325
01:29:04,629 --> 01:29:02,560
lucky conqueror

2326
01:29:06,629 --> 01:29:04,639
we really need to study how this works

2327
01:29:08,310 --> 01:29:06,639
i'm going yeah dude let me give you a

2328
01:29:11,750 --> 01:29:08,320
date as to when

2329
01:29:13,350 --> 01:29:11,760
october 1954 is when we mastered gravity

2330
01:29:15,910 --> 01:29:13,360
control and we've been building various

2331
01:29:17,110 --> 01:29:15,920
iterations of things that are man-made

2332
01:29:19,510 --> 01:29:17,120
ufos

2333
01:29:21,030 --> 01:29:19,520
from the 50s onward so

2334
01:29:22,950 --> 01:29:21,040
one of the one of the things that i find

2335
01:29:25,030 --> 01:29:22,960
very comical i mean it's sort of almost

2336
01:29:27,030 --> 01:29:25,040
farcical um

2337
01:29:28,950 --> 01:29:27,040
are the people who are surfacing kind of

2338
01:29:30,470 --> 01:29:28,960
saying yeah we really need to start

2339
01:29:32,790 --> 01:29:30,480
looking into this when they've already

2340
01:29:35,110 --> 01:29:32,800
embezzled trillions of dollars from us

2341
01:29:37,350 --> 01:29:35,120
u.s taxpayers and have been studying

2342
01:29:38,870 --> 01:29:37,360
this stuff for 70 years

2343
01:29:40,790 --> 01:29:38,880
and now they're going to tell us gee we

2344
01:29:42,790 --> 01:29:40,800
need to start looking into this can you

2345
01:29:45,750 --> 01:29:42,800
can you give us some funds so we can

2346
01:29:47,350 --> 01:29:45,760
start looking into it it's a charade

2347
01:29:50,950 --> 01:29:47,360
you bring up one of the best points

2348
01:29:53,910 --> 01:29:50,960
though even though this uh

2349
01:29:55,110 --> 01:29:53,920
conversation took place in 2002

2350
01:29:57,669 --> 01:29:55,120
uh

2351
01:30:01,430 --> 01:29:57,679
when you have kid green or hal put off

2352
01:30:03,189 --> 01:30:01,440
or eric davis uh skunk works

2353
01:30:05,990 --> 01:30:03,199
these are

2354
01:30:08,229 --> 01:30:06,000
part of the core group over at ttsa

2355
01:30:09,910 --> 01:30:08,239
melon surprisingly wasn't mentioned in

2356
01:30:10,950 --> 01:30:09,920
the stocking but he's the one guy that's

2357
01:30:13,110 --> 01:30:10,960
not there

2358
01:30:17,510 --> 01:30:13,120
but it is

2359
01:30:19,430 --> 01:30:17,520
it's the same core group from 2002 1997

2360
01:30:22,149 --> 01:30:19,440
and and your briefing

2361
01:30:24,310 --> 01:30:22,159
that is over at ttsa now is that

2362
01:30:25,910 --> 01:30:24,320
something where we step back and say

2363
01:30:28,470 --> 01:30:25,920
well we're not surprised they've been

2364
01:30:32,070 --> 01:30:28,480
pursuing this for a long time or is this

2365
01:30:34,229 --> 01:30:32,080
part of a communication agenda being

2366
01:30:36,149 --> 01:30:34,239
forced out onto to the general public

2367
01:30:37,590 --> 01:30:36,159
that has been worked on for a very long

2368
01:30:39,669 --> 01:30:37,600
time

2369
01:30:41,990 --> 01:30:39,679
no these are people who have

2370
01:30:43,830 --> 01:30:42,000
a specific role to play and they have

2371
01:30:46,229 --> 01:30:43,840
their marching orders and they're

2372
01:30:48,310 --> 01:30:46,239
telling the public exactly what their

2373
01:30:50,950 --> 01:30:48,320
handlers are telling them to tell the

2374
01:30:52,709 --> 01:30:50,960
public this i'm saying with absolute

2375
01:30:54,790 --> 01:30:52,719
certainty so

2376
01:30:55,669 --> 01:30:54,800
i'm not speculating here i know it for a

2377
01:30:58,229 --> 01:30:55,679
fact

2378
01:31:00,229 --> 01:30:58,239
uh i know people who are very high up at

2379
01:31:01,990 --> 01:31:00,239
the cia who are currently there who have

2380
01:31:04,310 --> 01:31:02,000
confirmed this to me

2381
01:31:05,910 --> 01:31:04,320
this is this is what's happening now i'm

2382
01:31:07,270 --> 01:31:05,920
very happy for

2383
01:31:10,149 --> 01:31:07,280
material and

2384
01:31:11,270 --> 01:31:10,159
gun cameras or or radar tapes to be

2385
01:31:13,669 --> 01:31:11,280
released

2386
01:31:14,709 --> 01:31:13,679
but the part of it that is of great

2387
01:31:17,830 --> 01:31:14,719
concern

2388
01:31:19,350 --> 01:31:17,840
is the spin and narrative if you look at

2389
01:31:22,310 --> 01:31:19,360
at the interview that chris mellon did

2390
01:31:25,189 --> 01:31:22,320
on uh the fox news talking about the

2391
01:31:26,870 --> 01:31:25,199
violation of our national sovereignty

2392
01:31:29,590 --> 01:31:26,880
and then others of them that have talked

2393
01:31:32,310 --> 01:31:29,600
about the national security threat it's

2394
01:31:34,149 --> 01:31:32,320
always it's always couched in a way

2395
01:31:37,110 --> 01:31:34,159
that it that is

2396
01:31:40,149 --> 01:31:37,120
embedding the idea subliminally as they

2397
01:31:42,310 --> 01:31:40,159
march forward with this fake disclosure

2398
01:31:45,270 --> 01:31:42,320
that's terrifying now

2399
01:31:46,950 --> 01:31:45,280
frankly they don't have to do much to to

2400
01:31:48,229 --> 01:31:46,960
tease that out because the ufo

2401
01:31:50,790 --> 01:31:48,239
subculture

2402
01:31:53,110 --> 01:31:50,800
has been rife with this kind of stuff of

2403
01:31:54,870 --> 01:31:53,120
you know mutilations and abductions and

2404
01:31:57,110 --> 01:31:54,880
evil aliens and the good ones and the

2405
01:31:59,590 --> 01:31:57,120
bad ones and you'll notice the good ones

2406
01:32:01,270 --> 01:31:59,600
always look like someone from norway

2407
01:32:03,910 --> 01:32:01,280
and the bad ones are different you know

2408
01:32:07,189 --> 01:32:03,920
there's a there's a profound level

2409
01:32:08,390 --> 01:32:07,199
of racism that is being exploited in the

2410
01:32:11,110 --> 01:32:08,400
human

2411
01:32:13,030 --> 01:32:11,120
consciousness we fear those who are

2412
01:32:15,030 --> 01:32:13,040
different from us whether it's gay or

2413
01:32:17,910 --> 01:32:15,040
straight or black or white

2414
01:32:19,750 --> 01:32:17,920
now it's human versus aliens and and

2415
01:32:22,310 --> 01:32:19,760
that's the narrative they're exploiting

2416
01:32:25,510 --> 01:32:22,320
they're exploiting the collective human

2417
01:32:28,149 --> 01:32:25,520
history of conflict around duality

2418
01:32:30,870 --> 01:32:28,159
around us versus them and now they're

2419
01:32:33,910 --> 01:32:30,880
trying to to expand it instead of one

2420
01:32:36,550 --> 01:32:33,920
nation or one economic system or one

2421
01:32:40,470 --> 01:32:36,560
race or one religion against another

2422
01:32:42,629 --> 01:32:40,480
let's unite america and the world around

2423
01:32:45,350 --> 01:32:42,639
an alien threat it's just like the movie

2424
01:32:47,590 --> 01:32:45,360
independence day and i think that

2425
01:32:50,629 --> 01:32:47,600
this is was always the plan jimmy this

2426
01:32:53,510 --> 01:32:50,639
was this was the plan that was created

2427
01:32:55,910 --> 01:32:53,520
in in the at least by the early 50s

2428
01:32:57,030 --> 01:32:55,920
and they have been holding sitting on

2429
01:32:59,510 --> 01:32:57,040
their cards

2430
01:33:01,910 --> 01:32:59,520
letting this thing run forward until the

2431
01:33:04,629 --> 01:33:01,920
right time for some reason

2432
01:33:05,669 --> 01:33:04,639
members of this cabal and covert

2433
01:33:06,790 --> 01:33:05,679
government

2434
01:33:09,030 --> 01:33:06,800
have

2435
01:33:11,510 --> 01:33:09,040
greenlighted

2436
01:33:13,669 --> 01:33:11,520
some of these folks to come forward with

2437
01:33:16,070 --> 01:33:13,679
evidence and information and to open all

2438
01:33:19,110 --> 01:33:16,080
the doors to the major media so they

2439
01:33:21,189 --> 01:33:19,120
speak of this in a way that's a threat

2440
01:33:23,590 --> 01:33:21,199
and within the threat matrix that we're

2441
01:33:25,590 --> 01:33:23,600
facing and and this was predicted i mean

2442
01:33:28,310 --> 01:33:25,600
verna von braun and his deathbed told uh

2443
01:33:30,790 --> 01:33:28,320
carol rosin that they will hoax an alien

2444
01:33:33,830 --> 01:33:30,800
threat and it's all a lie and a damn lie

2445
01:33:35,990 --> 01:33:33,840
but that is how how think step back for

2446
01:33:38,470 --> 01:33:36,000
a minute few years ago there was a cia

2447
01:33:40,229 --> 01:33:38,480
director for obama named leon panetta

2448
01:33:42,390 --> 01:33:40,239
and he had also hit with secretary of

2449
01:33:43,990 --> 01:33:42,400
defense for a period and i had put a

2450
01:33:44,870 --> 01:33:44,000
briefing together for him one of his

2451
01:33:46,470 --> 01:33:44,880
friends

2452
01:33:47,910 --> 01:33:46,480
reached out to me

2453
01:33:51,110 --> 01:33:47,920
from when he was a congressman from

2454
01:33:52,390 --> 01:33:51,120
california carmel california and he said

2455
01:33:54,390 --> 01:33:52,400
and

2456
01:33:55,270 --> 01:33:54,400
after i gave him that brief you know

2457
01:34:56,550 --> 01:33:55,280
a

2458
01:35:01,030 --> 01:34:56,560
to the sort of

2459
01:35:03,189 --> 01:35:01,040
jingoism and and sort of uh rah-rah

2460
01:35:06,310 --> 01:35:03,199
false patriotism i call it there's

2461
01:35:10,470 --> 01:35:06,320
nothing patriotic about you know going

2462
01:35:12,709 --> 01:35:10,480
into a contrived conflict that kills

2463
01:35:15,910 --> 01:35:12,719
thousands or millions of people

2464
01:35:18,229 --> 01:35:15,920
that benefit the war profiteers and the

2465
01:35:20,310 --> 01:35:18,239
military-industrial complex

2466
01:35:22,790 --> 01:35:20,320
and and the irony of all this that's

2467
01:35:23,990 --> 01:35:22,800
really tragic of true tragedy

2468
01:35:26,790 --> 01:35:24,000
is that

2469
01:35:29,590 --> 01:35:26,800
the unsuspecting and most

2470
01:35:31,830 --> 01:35:29,600
immediate victims of this are military

2471
01:35:33,350 --> 01:35:31,840
people themselves like admiral wilson he

2472
01:35:36,870 --> 01:35:33,360
was a victim

2473
01:35:38,149 --> 01:35:36,880
so i think that people need to

2474
01:35:40,629 --> 01:35:38,159
understand that

2475
01:35:42,390 --> 01:35:40,639
the way counterintelligence works and

2476
01:35:45,990 --> 01:35:42,400
the way this group works

2477
01:35:48,550 --> 01:35:46,000
is very deceitful and and

2478
01:35:51,669 --> 01:35:48,560
but sophisticated i have to say they're

2479
01:35:52,470 --> 01:35:51,679
extremely good at what they do and the

2480
01:35:55,189 --> 01:35:52,480
only

2481
01:35:56,390 --> 01:35:55,199
good exit strategy i see to it

2482
01:35:57,750 --> 01:35:56,400
i don't see it coming from the white

2483
01:35:59,510 --> 01:35:57,760
house or the congress because i think

2484
01:36:01,270 --> 01:35:59,520
those guys can be played and threatened

2485
01:36:04,390 --> 01:36:01,280
and bought off

2486
01:36:06,629 --> 01:36:04,400
easily is the masses the public

2487
01:36:09,590 --> 01:36:06,639
going out and making peaceful contact

2488
01:36:10,870 --> 01:36:09,600
which is why go to ce5 film dot com

2489
01:36:14,149 --> 01:36:10,880
you're going to see why we're doing this

2490
01:36:17,110 --> 01:36:14,159
film it is to create a shift in human

2491
01:36:19,270 --> 01:36:17,120
consciousness into a manifesting a very

2492
01:36:21,669 --> 01:36:19,280
good future because

2493
01:36:23,910 --> 01:36:21,679
the likelihood that there's going to be

2494
01:36:25,510 --> 01:36:23,920
a good resolution of this from the

2495
01:36:27,750 --> 01:36:25,520
centers of power

2496
01:36:29,669 --> 01:36:27,760
when was the last time jimmy something

2497
01:36:31,750 --> 01:36:29,679
good came out of the centers of power

2498
01:36:33,750 --> 01:36:31,760
i'll tell you when never

2499
01:36:35,830 --> 01:36:33,760
the american revolution right all right

2500
01:36:38,149 --> 01:36:35,840
not the american revolution not the

2501
01:36:40,229 --> 01:36:38,159
civil rights movement not the great gay

2502
01:36:41,990 --> 01:36:40,239
rights movement not the women's movement

2503
01:36:44,149 --> 01:36:42,000
all the same things that have advanced

2504
01:36:46,310 --> 01:36:44,159
our civilization those weren't edicts

2505
01:36:48,390 --> 01:36:46,320
for mankind from the centers of power

2506
01:36:50,149 --> 01:36:48,400
those came from the grassroots

2507
01:36:52,390 --> 01:36:50,159
so now we the people have to do this

2508
01:36:54,310 --> 01:36:52,400
from the grassroots all of us

2509
01:36:57,669 --> 01:36:54,320
if you have uh

2510
01:37:00,790 --> 01:36:57,679
a prediction to make on what is next you

2511
01:37:03,669 --> 01:37:00,800
just said fake disclosure and

2512
01:37:04,790 --> 01:37:03,679
and i respect that and in a weird way i

2513
01:37:07,030 --> 01:37:04,800
feel that

2514
01:37:08,790 --> 01:37:07,040
but here we had you know this document

2515
01:37:10,870 --> 01:37:08,800
leak we've got you know president trump

2516
01:37:13,510 --> 01:37:10,880
everything else that has been happening

2517
01:37:16,229 --> 01:37:13,520
if you had a crystal ball

2518
01:37:19,109 --> 01:37:16,239
what do you think is next is it going to

2519
01:37:20,070 --> 01:37:19,119
be some more crazy document leaks is it

2520
01:37:23,350 --> 01:37:20,080
going to be something out of the

2521
01:37:25,189 --> 01:37:23,360
pentagon is it going to be televised on

2522
01:37:26,550 --> 01:37:25,199
history channel uh what do you think is

2523
01:37:28,550 --> 01:37:26,560
next

2524
01:37:29,750 --> 01:37:28,560
yeah there's going to be a steady um

2525
01:37:32,149 --> 01:37:29,760
let's call it

2526
01:37:34,470 --> 01:37:32,159
uh slow and then

2527
01:37:36,629 --> 01:37:34,480
increasing pace of

2528
01:37:39,030 --> 01:37:36,639
a disclosure that serves the secrecy of

2529
01:37:40,550 --> 01:37:39,040
the controllers which most people will

2530
01:37:42,950 --> 01:37:40,560
be deceived by

2531
01:37:45,189 --> 01:37:42,960
however here's the good news

2532
01:37:46,790 --> 01:37:45,199
if you study

2533
01:37:48,629 --> 01:37:46,800
the science of consciousness you only

2534
01:37:50,229 --> 01:37:48,639
need one percent

2535
01:37:52,310 --> 01:37:50,239
of a population

2536
01:37:55,750 --> 01:37:52,320
do something in a

2537
01:37:58,550 --> 01:37:55,760
positive constructive way from a deeper

2538
01:38:00,870 --> 01:37:58,560
level of awareness to cause a massive

2539
01:38:02,310 --> 01:38:00,880
shift in society this has been proven

2540
01:38:05,750 --> 01:38:02,320
and studied over and over not only in

2541
01:38:09,189 --> 01:38:05,760
quantum mechanics and physics but in in

2542
01:38:10,390 --> 01:38:09,199
consciousness studies and sociology so

2543
01:38:11,350 --> 01:38:10,400
there's

2544
01:38:14,149 --> 01:38:11,360
a very

2545
01:38:16,870 --> 01:38:14,159
good reason why we're doing the ce5 film

2546
01:38:18,550 --> 01:38:16,880
right now uh rather urgently i mean we

2547
01:38:21,270 --> 01:38:18,560
started the crowd funding just a couple

2548
01:38:21,990 --> 01:38:21,280
months ago and we want this film to come

2549
01:38:23,430 --> 01:38:22,000
out

2550
01:38:25,750 --> 01:38:23,440
in uh

2551
01:38:28,229 --> 01:38:25,760
early december this year so we're really

2552
01:38:29,830 --> 01:38:28,239
moving fast on this but the reason is is

2553
01:38:31,350 --> 01:38:29,840
that we need to reach

2554
01:38:34,709 --> 01:38:31,360
that critical 1

2555
01:38:36,950 --> 01:38:34,719
75 million people on planet earth to not

2556
01:38:39,590 --> 01:38:36,960
only understand this but to begin to do

2557
01:38:41,189 --> 01:38:39,600
something positive and guess what

2558
01:38:43,109 --> 01:38:41,199
everything you need to do it you're

2559
01:38:44,390 --> 01:38:43,119
hardwired for you're conscious you're

2560
01:38:47,189 --> 01:38:44,400
awake

2561
01:38:48,790 --> 01:38:47,199
the making of contact is very simple you

2562
01:38:49,910 --> 01:38:48,800
can do it with two three four five

2563
01:38:52,149 --> 01:38:49,920
people you don't have to be part of a

2564
01:38:55,030 --> 01:38:52,159
huge event out somewhere in the desert

2565
01:38:57,270 --> 01:38:55,040
and you can do it on your own and what

2566
01:38:58,790 --> 01:38:57,280
that does is only what you experience

2567
01:39:01,270 --> 01:38:58,800
but the consciousness that you're

2568
01:39:03,510 --> 01:39:01,280
entering this more expanded higher state

2569
01:39:05,830 --> 01:39:03,520
of consciousness is peaceful that

2570
01:39:07,990 --> 01:39:05,840
affects everyone around you

2571
01:39:10,870 --> 01:39:08,000
within a concentric circles all over the

2572
01:39:14,310 --> 01:39:10,880
planet it actually has an effect that

2573
01:39:16,550 --> 01:39:14,320
isn't localized it's called non-locality

2574
01:39:18,950 --> 01:39:16,560
and entanglement in quantum physics and

2575
01:39:20,790 --> 01:39:18,960
that happens on this conscious level

2576
01:39:22,709 --> 01:39:20,800
and so it's like where they've done

2577
01:39:25,109 --> 01:39:22,719
studies with random number generators

2578
01:39:26,390 --> 01:39:25,119
and they can have people think to it and

2579
01:39:27,910 --> 01:39:26,400
change whether it's putting out more

2580
01:39:29,750 --> 01:39:27,920
zeros and ones even though they're not

2581
01:39:32,149 --> 01:39:29,760
wired to it it's just the power of

2582
01:39:34,629 --> 01:39:32,159
consciousness and intent and positive

2583
01:39:36,950 --> 01:39:34,639
thought and energy so that isn't just

2584
01:39:39,590 --> 01:39:36,960
new age claptrap that has been proven in

2585
01:39:42,470 --> 01:39:39,600
science and physics and the truth is is

2586
01:39:44,950 --> 01:39:42,480
that if all of us understand that and we

2587
01:39:46,790 --> 01:39:44,960
all come together and say look we're

2588
01:39:49,350 --> 01:39:46,800
going to just leave this charade you

2589
01:39:51,669 --> 01:39:49,360
know of the cabal and the majestic and

2590
01:39:53,510 --> 01:39:51,679
all these covert usaps behind

2591
01:39:56,709 --> 01:39:53,520
and we're going to do something on a

2592
01:39:59,430 --> 01:39:56,719
higher level and that they cannot stop

2593
01:40:01,590 --> 01:39:59,440
they can't control that and that is one

2594
01:40:03,510 --> 01:40:01,600
of the reasons why

2595
01:40:05,590 --> 01:40:03,520
we're doing this right now but also why

2596
01:40:06,470 --> 01:40:05,600
i think people need to take heart you

2597
01:40:08,870 --> 01:40:06,480
can't

2598
01:40:10,870 --> 01:40:08,880
give up you never give up even though

2599
01:40:12,950 --> 01:40:10,880
i've certainly wanted to since

2600
01:40:14,629 --> 01:40:12,960
94 when i was going to shut down my this

2601
01:40:16,149 --> 01:40:14,639
project frankly

2602
01:40:18,790 --> 01:40:16,159
due to some things that happened to me

2603
01:40:20,310 --> 01:40:18,800
but i think that you just you keep going

2604
01:40:23,030 --> 01:40:20,320
because you keep your

2605
01:40:24,790 --> 01:40:23,040
vision on the far horizon of a planet

2606
01:40:26,470 --> 01:40:24,800
that is living peacefully with its

2607
01:40:28,950 --> 01:40:26,480
interstellar neighbors that has

2608
01:40:32,229 --> 01:40:28,960
technology that would give us no

2609
01:40:33,830 --> 01:40:32,239
pollution no poverty sustainability for

2610
01:40:36,709 --> 01:40:33,840
hundreds of thousands of years of

2611
01:40:39,270 --> 01:40:36,719
conscious evolution and you see that

2612
01:40:41,430 --> 01:40:39,280
that isn't hundreds it's 20 years away

2613
01:40:44,070 --> 01:40:41,440
50 years away it's

2614
01:40:45,510 --> 01:40:44,080
virtually within my lifetime and i'm an

2615
01:40:47,750 --> 01:40:45,520
old guy now i mean i started this

2616
01:40:49,510 --> 01:40:47,760
project when i'm in my 30s

2617
01:40:52,709 --> 01:40:49,520
and now i'm out the next week i'll be

2618
01:40:56,070 --> 01:40:52,719
64. so what i tell people is that

2619
01:40:58,709 --> 01:40:56,080
you know this is an ultra marathon but

2620
01:40:59,830 --> 01:40:58,719
it's it's doable and people need to take

2621
01:41:01,510 --> 01:40:59,840
great hope

2622
01:41:03,669 --> 01:41:01,520
in the idea that

2623
01:41:05,830 --> 01:41:03,679
if you empower yourself to do something

2624
01:41:08,790 --> 01:41:05,840
positive it'll happen don't get caught

2625
01:41:11,750 --> 01:41:08,800
up in all the negativity and yes there's

2626
01:41:14,149 --> 01:41:11,760
going to be i'll tell you this situation

2627
01:41:16,310 --> 01:41:14,159
with a fake disclosure that's geared up

2628
01:41:18,310 --> 01:41:16,320
towards conflict that's going to get

2629
01:41:20,709 --> 01:41:18,320
much worse before it gets better is my

2630
01:41:22,790 --> 01:41:20,719
prediction however there's this other

2631
01:41:25,270 --> 01:41:22,800
thing happening where people can come

2632
01:41:27,590 --> 01:41:25,280
together in a positive way in an

2633
01:41:30,629 --> 01:41:27,600
enlightened way and create a new

2634
01:41:32,310 --> 01:41:30,639
civilization because you don't need a 50

2635
01:41:35,109 --> 01:41:32,320
it's not like a political election we

2636
01:41:37,189 --> 01:41:35,119
need one percent so we need to you know

2637
01:41:38,629 --> 01:41:37,199
we need to be those points of coherence

2638
01:41:41,510 --> 01:41:38,639
that shifts

2639
01:41:43,270 --> 01:41:41,520
where our civilization is headed and not

2640
01:41:44,830 --> 01:41:43,280
be dispirited by

2641
01:41:47,030 --> 01:41:44,840
the sort of nonsense of the

2642
01:41:48,470 --> 01:41:47,040
counterintelligence operation

2643
01:41:50,510 --> 01:41:48,480
when uh

2644
01:41:53,109 --> 01:41:50,520
all of this started back in december of

2645
01:41:55,189 --> 01:41:53,119
2017 with the new york times and and

2646
01:41:57,830 --> 01:41:55,199
spun out of control with the mainstream

2647
01:42:00,310 --> 01:41:57,840
media grabbing hold of the story and

2648
01:42:02,229 --> 01:42:00,320
presenting it to the public the one

2649
01:42:05,109 --> 01:42:02,239
thing that we were told

2650
01:42:07,669 --> 01:42:05,119
was going to happen didn't which is

2651
01:42:09,830 --> 01:42:07,679
uh religions didn't collapse wall street

2652
01:42:11,990 --> 01:42:09,840
didn't fall into the ashes people didn't

2653
01:42:14,629 --> 01:42:12,000
jump off of buildings

2654
01:42:16,550 --> 01:42:14,639
and obviously it's safe to stay that we

2655
01:42:18,149 --> 01:42:16,560
could we can handle this right there's

2656
01:42:21,430 --> 01:42:18,159
that part but

2657
01:42:24,790 --> 01:42:21,440
now i think the man understands that we

2658
01:42:28,390 --> 01:42:24,800
can handle it does this change the way

2659
01:42:30,790 --> 01:42:28,400
that they're rolling this out

2660
01:42:34,149 --> 01:42:30,800
well i i i do think it's going to change

2661
01:42:38,470 --> 01:42:34,159
i mean it's a dynamic evolving situation

2662
01:42:41,510 --> 01:42:38,480
and keep in mind there are people inside

2663
01:42:43,590 --> 01:42:41,520
these usaps that very much agree

2664
01:42:44,709 --> 01:42:43,600
with a more positive approach

2665
01:42:46,310 --> 01:42:44,719
but they're

2666
01:42:48,229 --> 01:42:46,320
even though there are a lot of them they

2667
01:42:50,790 --> 01:42:48,239
don't have the center of gravity let's

2668
01:42:53,109 --> 01:42:50,800
call it right is where the money is and

2669
01:42:56,070 --> 01:42:53,119
and and with this direction

2670
01:42:58,470 --> 01:42:56,080
but i and so i think that this is going

2671
01:43:01,189 --> 01:42:58,480
to be a dynamic situation i've always

2672
01:43:03,189 --> 01:43:01,199
viewed don't sit back and be passive if

2673
01:43:05,910 --> 01:43:03,199
the people will lead the leaders will

2674
01:43:08,070 --> 01:43:05,920
follow i think that the narrative

2675
01:43:09,510 --> 01:43:08,080
yes of course there's you know all the

2676
01:43:10,950 --> 01:43:09,520
mainstream media they're going to do

2677
01:43:11,990 --> 01:43:10,960
this and they'll be jumping through the

2678
01:43:13,910 --> 01:43:12,000
hoops

2679
01:43:15,430 --> 01:43:13,920
but don't don't think that that's all

2680
01:43:16,709 --> 01:43:15,440
there is i mean

2681
01:43:20,229 --> 01:43:16,719
there's something called the internet

2682
01:43:23,350 --> 01:43:20,239
there's a new alternative media

2683
01:43:25,430 --> 01:43:23,360
this unacknowledged documentary has had

2684
01:43:27,750 --> 01:43:25,440
many times more views than any show on

2685
01:43:30,390 --> 01:43:27,760
cnn or readers of the new york times

2686
01:43:32,229 --> 01:43:30,400
right so what i tell people is

2687
01:43:34,470 --> 01:43:32,239
there are things we have to be creative

2688
01:43:36,550 --> 01:43:34,480
those of us who are concerned for a

2689
01:43:38,870 --> 01:43:36,560
good future for humanity and a good

2690
01:43:40,629 --> 01:43:38,880
outcome here um

2691
01:43:42,470 --> 01:43:40,639
have to be very creative and i've had to

2692
01:43:44,870 --> 01:43:42,480
be very creative because the whole

2693
01:43:46,790 --> 01:43:44,880
landscape is changing

2694
01:43:48,870 --> 01:43:46,800
and not least of which is when was the

2695
01:43:51,430 --> 01:43:48,880
last time a documentary

2696
01:43:52,390 --> 01:43:51,440
was the top documentary for an entire

2697
01:43:54,950 --> 01:43:52,400
year

2698
01:43:57,109 --> 01:43:54,960
like unacknowledged in 2017 and there is

2699
01:43:59,990 --> 01:43:57,119
a complete blackout in the mainstream

2700
01:44:02,310 --> 01:44:00,000
media about it i'll tell you when never

2701
01:44:06,070 --> 01:44:02,320
and that proves the point we made in the

2702
01:44:07,590 --> 01:44:06,080
documentary that a true truthful expose

2703
01:44:10,470 --> 01:44:07,600
of this secrecy

2704
01:44:12,950 --> 01:44:10,480
is something that would never be covered

2705
01:44:14,149 --> 01:44:12,960
by the mainstream media because they are

2706
01:44:15,990 --> 01:44:14,159
dancing

2707
01:44:18,310 --> 01:44:16,000
to the tune you know when i back in i'll

2708
01:44:20,310 --> 01:44:18,320
tell you a funny story there was a man

2709
01:44:22,550 --> 01:44:20,320
last name schwartz who was on the board

2710
01:44:25,030 --> 01:44:22,560
of directors of time life back in the

2711
01:44:26,310 --> 01:44:25,040
90s i was in new york city

2712
01:44:27,270 --> 01:44:26,320
and i was having a meeting with a whole

2713
01:44:29,669 --> 01:44:27,280
bunch of

2714
01:44:31,510 --> 01:44:29,679
you know muckety mucks up there the u.n

2715
01:44:32,390 --> 01:44:31,520
secretary general his wife and people

2716
01:44:34,709 --> 01:44:32,400
like that

2717
01:44:36,149 --> 01:44:34,719
and this guy pulls me aside he says you

2718
01:44:38,709 --> 01:44:36,159
know

2719
01:44:40,470 --> 01:44:38,719
uh the fourth estate is dead for the

2720
01:44:43,030 --> 01:44:40,480
state meaning the media i said what are

2721
01:44:46,390 --> 01:44:43,040
you talking about he says we've become

2722
01:44:48,390 --> 01:44:46,400
scribes taking dictation from the right

2723
01:44:51,270 --> 01:44:48,400
hand of the king

2724
01:44:52,470 --> 01:44:51,280
and he started talking about this

2725
01:44:55,910 --> 01:44:52,480
cabal

2726
01:44:58,390 --> 01:44:55,920
and this is i like a major media player

2727
01:45:00,870 --> 01:44:58,400
in new york on the board of time life

2728
01:45:02,629 --> 01:45:00,880
and i said yeah i'm aware of that he

2729
01:45:05,270 --> 01:45:02,639
says well i can tell you for a fact

2730
01:45:07,750 --> 01:45:05,280
that's what it is he had gotten some

2731
01:45:10,790 --> 01:45:07,760
classified documents old ones related to

2732
01:45:13,510 --> 01:45:10,800
this so-called majestic 12 years ago

2733
01:45:15,350 --> 01:45:13,520
gave them to mike wallace of 60 minutes

2734
01:45:17,510 --> 01:45:15,360
mike wallace was going to do an expose

2735
01:45:18,390 --> 01:45:17,520
and was shot down and what was unallowed

2736
01:45:19,750 --> 01:45:18,400
to

2737
01:45:21,990 --> 01:45:19,760
by cbs

2738
01:45:23,669 --> 01:45:22,000
and he told me that that's why mike

2739
01:45:25,750 --> 01:45:23,679
wallace went into that really deep

2740
01:45:27,830 --> 01:45:25,760
depression and he actually mike wallace

2741
01:45:30,310 --> 01:45:27,840
went on six on larry king and actually

2742
01:45:32,149 --> 01:45:30,320
talked about that he was so depressed

2743
01:45:35,030 --> 01:45:32,159
because he said and i'm quoting i

2744
01:45:36,470 --> 01:45:35,040
realized i was my career i was a fraud

2745
01:45:38,470 --> 01:45:36,480
and larry king said what do you mean a

2746
01:45:40,149 --> 01:45:38,480
fraud well he didn't go into this but

2747
01:45:42,870 --> 01:45:40,159
this is what he was talking about a

2748
01:45:45,189 --> 01:45:42,880
friend of his this guy schwartz told me

2749
01:45:46,950 --> 01:45:45,199
that's why mike wallace one of the

2750
01:45:49,750 --> 01:45:46,960
biggest investigative journalists of the

2751
01:45:52,070 --> 01:45:49,760
20th century who was on

2752
01:45:53,189 --> 01:45:52,080
uh you know 60 minutes for a very long

2753
01:45:55,430 --> 01:45:53,199
time

2754
01:45:57,430 --> 01:45:55,440
wanted to do this expose

2755
01:46:00,950 --> 01:45:57,440
and it was before i came on the scene in

2756
01:46:03,270 --> 01:46:00,960
1990 and cbs shot him down and that's

2757
01:46:04,629 --> 01:46:03,280
when he realized that they were all

2758
01:46:06,709 --> 01:46:04,639
scribes

2759
01:46:09,510 --> 01:46:06,719
taking dictation from the right hand of

2760
01:46:11,750 --> 01:46:09,520
the king so i tell people just keep that

2761
01:46:12,950 --> 01:46:11,760
vision in mind when you see something on

2762
01:46:15,990 --> 01:46:12,960
cnn

2763
01:46:17,189 --> 01:46:16,000
new york times washington post

2764
01:46:18,550 --> 01:46:17,199
fox

2765
01:46:19,750 --> 01:46:18,560
npr

2766
01:46:22,390 --> 01:46:19,760
bbc

2767
01:46:23,350 --> 01:46:22,400
any of the things that are media of

2768
01:46:24,149 --> 01:46:23,360
record

2769
01:46:26,870 --> 01:46:24,159
um

2770
01:46:27,750 --> 01:46:26,880
and you're gonna need you know just have

2771
01:46:40,790 --> 01:46:27,760
a

2772
01:46:42,149 --> 01:46:40,800
ce5 the film

2773
01:46:45,830 --> 01:46:42,159
blockbuster

2774
01:46:49,109 --> 01:46:45,840
and now you are out doing interviews on

2775
01:46:50,870 --> 01:46:49,119
fox and cnn and bbc

2776
01:46:52,470 --> 01:46:50,880
i believe that when i see you

2777
01:46:55,510 --> 01:46:52,480
right right

2778
01:46:56,709 --> 01:46:55,520
i mean do you become part of and and

2779
01:46:59,030 --> 01:46:56,719
would you

2780
01:47:00,870 --> 01:46:59,040
be surprised if you were approached and

2781
01:47:02,950 --> 01:47:00,880
and told what to say and how to how to

2782
01:47:04,550 --> 01:47:02,960
control this

2783
01:47:06,390 --> 01:47:04,560
sure and that's what they've done in the

2784
01:47:08,550 --> 01:47:06,400
past i mean i was not long ago a major

2785
01:47:10,870 --> 01:47:08,560
media company wanted me to do a show

2786
01:47:13,750 --> 01:47:10,880
they wanted to fold in all kinds of

2787
01:47:15,430 --> 01:47:13,760
fear-based fear-mongering crap into it i

2788
01:47:18,310 --> 01:47:15,440
said i wouldn't be part of it and i

2789
01:47:19,830 --> 01:47:18,320
bowed out look you know one thing people

2790
01:47:21,830 --> 01:47:19,840
don't understand to me

2791
01:47:23,590 --> 01:47:21,840
i don't care about money i don't care

2792
01:47:26,229 --> 01:47:23,600
about fame

2793
01:47:29,590 --> 01:47:26,239
neither has any currency with me and

2794
01:47:31,189 --> 01:47:29,600
never has i care about

2795
01:47:33,350 --> 01:47:31,199
the human future when i i had a

2796
01:47:35,910 --> 01:47:33,360
near-death experience when i was 17

2797
01:47:38,870 --> 01:47:35,920
and when i came back from that what i

2798
01:47:41,350 --> 01:47:38,880
realized is that wow the universe is

2799
01:47:43,750 --> 01:47:41,360
amazing and the future of this planet is

2800
01:47:45,030 --> 01:47:43,760
amazing and somehow we need to do so you

2801
01:47:46,070 --> 01:47:45,040
know that was

2802
01:47:50,790 --> 01:47:46,080
you know

2803
01:47:53,510 --> 01:47:50,800
um but

2804
01:47:56,070 --> 01:47:53,520
what my point in all this is to say

2805
01:47:57,270 --> 01:47:56,080
uh people need to have standards i mean

2806
01:47:59,430 --> 01:47:57,280
there are a number of networks that have

2807
01:48:00,870 --> 01:47:59,440
wanted me on but they wanted to have me

2808
01:48:03,669 --> 01:48:00,880
on where it's going to be folded into

2809
01:48:04,950 --> 01:48:03,679
something where it's one part truth two

2810
01:48:07,189 --> 01:48:04,960
parts

2811
01:48:10,390 --> 01:48:07,199
fear mongering and war mongering i won't

2812
01:48:12,470 --> 01:48:10,400
do it i'd rather not so you know you

2813
01:48:14,790 --> 01:48:12,480
have to choose what you're going to do

2814
01:48:17,270 --> 01:48:14,800
and i this is something that comes

2815
01:48:20,310 --> 01:48:17,280
into my life probably on a two or three

2816
01:48:22,229 --> 01:48:20,320
times a week basis and i i'm not saying

2817
01:48:24,070 --> 01:48:22,239
i've become a ray cloos i'm a bit of a

2818
01:48:26,950 --> 01:48:24,080
little bit sometimes but

2819
01:48:29,430 --> 01:48:26,960
it's made me be very cautious because i

2820
01:48:32,229 --> 01:48:29,440
don't want to empower something where

2821
01:48:35,030 --> 01:48:32,239
there's somebody on a network

2822
01:48:37,109 --> 01:48:35,040
going on and on about reptilian slave

2823
01:48:39,750 --> 01:48:37,119
ships that have captured babies and are

2824
01:48:41,830 --> 01:48:39,760
trading them in an intergalactic war at

2825
01:48:44,870 --> 01:48:41,840
the same time i'm trying to bring in

2826
01:48:46,870 --> 01:48:44,880
information on admiral tom wilson

2827
01:48:49,270 --> 01:48:46,880
and the man who just came out of the

2828
01:48:51,910 --> 01:48:49,280
technology management office who had

2829
01:48:53,910 --> 01:48:51,920
baseline clearance across 18 news apps i

2830
01:48:56,390 --> 01:48:53,920
don't want to mix

2831
01:48:58,310 --> 01:48:56,400
you know something that's legit and then

2832
01:49:02,149 --> 01:48:58,320
have that in power

2833
01:49:03,750 --> 01:49:02,159
a fear-based fantasy narrative which is

2834
01:49:05,830 --> 01:49:03,760
unfortunately the majority of what

2835
01:49:08,870 --> 01:49:05,840
passes out there in the ufo

2836
01:49:10,709 --> 01:49:08,880
uh community and also in the media so i

2837
01:49:12,070 --> 01:49:10,719
i just tend to be

2838
01:49:14,070 --> 01:49:12,080
at this point

2839
01:49:15,830 --> 01:49:14,080
careful because i think that i don't

2840
01:49:18,310 --> 01:49:15,840
want to hurt

2841
01:49:19,669 --> 01:49:18,320
the thing that keeps me up most jimmy is

2842
01:49:21,270 --> 01:49:19,679
i don't want to be part of something

2843
01:49:22,470 --> 01:49:21,280
that hurts the human consciousness

2844
01:49:25,350 --> 01:49:22,480
instead of helping it i don't want to

2845
01:49:26,950 --> 01:49:25,360
empower something that you know gets

2846
01:49:29,109 --> 01:49:26,960
then diverted

2847
01:49:31,910 --> 01:49:29,119
by the power of the evidence that we

2848
01:49:34,950 --> 01:49:31,920
have into a narrative that is the

2849
01:49:37,109 --> 01:49:34,960
foundation for world war three so this

2850
01:49:38,790 --> 01:49:37,119
is really honestly what keeps me awake

2851
01:49:41,430 --> 01:49:38,800
night more than anything

2852
01:49:44,870 --> 01:49:41,440
what is interesting about that statement

2853
01:49:47,669 --> 01:49:44,880
which is powerful uh dr greer

2854
01:49:49,189 --> 01:49:47,679
there are those out there and you know

2855
01:49:52,229 --> 01:49:49,199
you've heard it long enough that say

2856
01:49:54,310 --> 01:49:52,239
that uh you are you have been bought and

2857
01:49:55,350 --> 01:49:54,320
sold right you've got rockefeller money

2858
01:49:56,790 --> 01:49:55,360
you're part

2859
01:49:59,270 --> 01:49:56,800
and you know if you've heard it all

2860
01:50:03,109 --> 01:49:59,280
right but

2861
01:50:05,510 --> 01:50:03,119
right those words go in direct conflict

2862
01:50:07,830 --> 01:50:05,520
with the fear-based narrative that is

2863
01:50:09,510 --> 01:50:07,840
being presented right now so does that

2864
01:50:11,430 --> 01:50:09,520
clear your name

2865
01:50:14,149 --> 01:50:11,440
you know the people look the people

2866
01:50:16,310 --> 01:50:14,159
sitting in pajamas making up nonsense i

2867
01:50:17,830 --> 01:50:16,320
could care less about right um you know

2868
01:50:19,750 --> 01:50:17,840
they're they're trolls let's call them

2869
01:50:21,430 --> 01:50:19,760
what they are you know

2870
01:50:23,750 --> 01:50:21,440
when was the last time you met a doctor

2871
01:50:25,109 --> 01:50:23,760
who gave up five to hundred thousand

2872
01:50:27,990 --> 01:50:25,119
dollars a year

2873
01:50:30,709 --> 01:50:28,000
for many many years to do something

2874
01:50:32,149 --> 01:50:30,719
where my wife and i have no office

2875
01:50:34,070 --> 01:50:32,159
no paid staff

2876
01:50:36,070 --> 01:50:34,080
my wife has had two

2877
01:50:38,229 --> 01:50:36,080
very aggressive cancers in the last five

2878
01:50:40,629 --> 01:50:38,239
years that have almost killed her i have

2879
01:50:43,270 --> 01:50:40,639
almost died from a cancer that almost

2880
01:50:46,149 --> 01:50:43,280
killed me we're pushing through without

2881
01:50:48,629 --> 01:50:46,159
a scintilla of the kind of support that

2882
01:50:51,030 --> 01:50:48,639
you see that charlatans are getting

2883
01:50:53,590 --> 01:50:51,040
right and so to the people who make

2884
01:50:55,750 --> 01:50:53,600
those claims i would just say you

2885
01:50:57,750 --> 01:50:55,760
couldn't be more wrong and i could care

2886
01:51:00,149 --> 01:50:57,760
less about it because those are the

2887
01:51:02,629 --> 01:51:00,159
kinds of people that are always going to

2888
01:51:05,510 --> 01:51:02,639
be out there because the internet is

2889
01:51:07,750 --> 01:51:05,520
filled with these kind of trolls you and

2890
01:51:09,669 --> 01:51:07,760
if that was what would determine

2891
01:51:11,510 --> 01:51:09,679
you know anything i would do or say you

2892
01:51:14,310 --> 01:51:11,520
know i would have thrown on the towel

2893
01:51:18,550 --> 01:51:14,320
you know 25 years ago um but i think

2894
01:51:22,709 --> 01:51:21,430
why would anyone do

2895
01:51:24,790 --> 01:51:22,719
what we're doing

2896
01:51:27,189 --> 01:51:24,800
why would the people who come forward

2897
01:51:29,510 --> 01:51:27,199
risk their reputations and their their

2898
01:51:31,270 --> 01:51:29,520
careers to tell the truth to the public

2899
01:51:32,709 --> 01:51:31,280
why would a medical doctor give up his

2900
01:51:34,229 --> 01:51:32,719
medical career

2901
01:51:36,070 --> 01:51:34,239
when he has four kids to put through

2902
01:51:38,629 --> 01:51:36,080
college for christ's sake

2903
01:51:39,750 --> 01:51:38,639
um you know the idea that somehow

2904
01:51:42,310 --> 01:51:39,760
there's some

2905
01:51:45,510 --> 01:51:42,320
big cabal funding us is a joke if that

2906
01:51:46,550 --> 01:51:45,520
were the case why am i i have a a four

2907
01:51:48,550 --> 01:51:46,560
foot by

2908
01:51:51,830 --> 01:51:48,560
foot and a half little desk in my living

2909
01:51:54,070 --> 01:51:51,840
room and my wife helps me in an adjacent

2910
01:51:57,030 --> 01:51:54,080
little teeny den that's a tiny little

2911
01:51:59,830 --> 01:51:57,040
room and we're doing this with no staff

2912
01:52:02,470 --> 01:51:59,840
and no office really we would be doing

2913
01:52:05,030 --> 01:52:02,480
that night and day if we're being funded

2914
01:52:07,350 --> 01:52:05,040
by some nefarious sources those people

2915
01:52:08,709 --> 01:52:07,360
are so full of baloney but the point i'm

2916
01:52:09,990 --> 01:52:08,719
making is that i really don't care what

2917
01:52:12,149 --> 01:52:10,000
those kind of people say i'm more

2918
01:52:13,350 --> 01:52:12,159
interested in the fact that the masses

2919
01:52:15,430 --> 01:52:13,360
of people

2920
01:52:17,510 --> 01:52:15,440
and many people who for example seen

2921
01:52:19,510 --> 01:52:17,520
unacknowledged ten times to absorb all

2922
01:52:21,350 --> 01:52:19,520
the information in it we want to do that

2923
01:52:23,510 --> 01:52:21,360
with this next documentary film it's

2924
01:52:26,470 --> 01:52:23,520
gonna be a two-hour film that's going to

2925
01:52:29,030 --> 01:52:26,480
be a tour of consciousness and the

2926
01:52:30,950 --> 01:52:29,040
science of consciousness and contact and

2927
01:52:33,910 --> 01:52:30,960
how people can

2928
01:52:35,030 --> 01:52:33,920
form a team and they contact themselves

2929
01:52:38,550 --> 01:52:35,040
and leave

2930
01:52:41,270 --> 01:52:38,560
this whole cabal of sociopaths behind

2931
01:52:44,790 --> 01:52:41,280
and manifest a a beautiful planet in the

2932
01:52:47,109 --> 01:52:44,800
future that's what this is about and at

2933
01:52:49,910 --> 01:52:47,119
the same time i think it's important to

2934
01:52:52,390 --> 01:52:49,920
stay involved with disclosure and and

2935
01:52:54,950 --> 01:52:52,400
trying to put as much information

2936
01:52:58,550 --> 01:52:54,960
out as we can but i think we all have a

2937
01:52:59,589 --> 01:52:58,560
responsibility morally ethically

2938
01:53:02,070 --> 01:52:59,599
to not

2939
01:53:03,589 --> 01:53:02,080
allow ourselves to get caught up in

2940
01:53:05,910 --> 01:53:03,599
the power of the knowledge of this

2941
01:53:07,990 --> 01:53:05,920
subject being spun into something that

2942
01:53:09,430 --> 01:53:08,000
ends up leading to some disastrous

2943
01:53:12,149 --> 01:53:09,440
outcome

2944
01:53:13,189 --> 01:53:12,159
for humanity and i i'm that's that's the

2945
01:53:15,750 --> 01:53:13,199
reason

2946
01:53:19,109 --> 01:53:15,760
you know i'm not someone who talks about

2947
01:53:21,510 --> 01:53:19,119
personality in groups but once i saw

2948
01:53:22,790 --> 01:53:21,520
what was happening with elizondo and

2949
01:53:25,430 --> 01:53:22,800
that what

2950
01:53:27,990 --> 01:53:25,440
this type of ci he calls the rat pack

2951
01:53:30,709 --> 01:53:28,000
that's been scamming the public for

2952
01:53:32,149 --> 01:53:30,719
30 40 years and the government he

2953
01:53:33,669 --> 01:53:32,159
specifically says he's been scamming the

2954
01:53:35,189 --> 01:53:33,679
public they've been scamming the

2955
01:53:38,870 --> 01:53:35,199
government as well

2956
01:53:41,350 --> 01:53:38,880
justice admiral wilson comments that

2957
01:53:43,910 --> 01:53:41,360
when it started breaking into the news

2958
01:53:46,709 --> 01:53:43,920
so heavily which normally the new york

2959
01:53:49,030 --> 01:53:46,719
times and these big media have a policy

2960
01:53:51,830 --> 01:53:49,040
never to cover the ufo subject i knew

2961
01:53:53,589 --> 01:53:51,840
someone had pulled a trigger and i knew

2962
01:53:55,270 --> 01:53:53,599
we were in a different era and i said

2963
01:53:58,390 --> 01:53:55,280
that i think on your show a couple years

2964
01:54:00,310 --> 01:53:58,400
ago yes so i think i think that this is

2965
01:54:01,830 --> 01:54:00,320
this is something we have to be vigilant

2966
01:54:02,550 --> 01:54:01,840
for um

2967
01:54:04,390 --> 01:54:02,560
but

2968
01:54:06,550 --> 01:54:04,400
not be overwhelmed by it we just have to

2969
01:54:10,149 --> 01:54:06,560
speak the truth keep finding what the

2970
01:54:12,550 --> 01:54:10,159
truth is i hopefully there will be

2971
01:54:15,109 --> 01:54:12,560
other things like this

2972
01:54:17,589 --> 01:54:15,119
commentary from from admiral wilson

2973
01:54:18,870 --> 01:54:17,599
where you know he confirms much of the

2974
01:54:20,709 --> 01:54:18,880
detail

2975
01:54:22,550 --> 01:54:20,719
of not only the meeting but the nature

2976
01:54:25,189 --> 01:54:22,560
of the usaps and the fact that he was

2977
01:54:26,470 --> 01:54:25,199
being denied access i think that has

2978
01:54:28,229 --> 01:54:26,480
been a point that a lot of people have

2979
01:54:30,790 --> 01:54:28,239
heard me say that in a

2980
01:54:32,790 --> 01:54:30,800
lecture on youtube or what have you and

2981
01:54:35,030 --> 01:54:32,800
they go no that can't be right you know

2982
01:54:38,070 --> 01:54:35,040
i'm going yeah it is you know i'm not

2983
01:54:39,430 --> 01:54:38,080
making this up i mean the cia director i

2984
01:54:40,310 --> 01:54:39,440
when i briefed him

2985
01:54:44,390 --> 01:54:40,320
he

2986
01:54:45,270 --> 01:54:44,400
tears after this almost three hours of

2987
01:54:46,950 --> 01:54:45,280
meeting

2988
01:54:47,990 --> 01:54:46,960
at a private dinner

2989
01:54:50,149 --> 01:54:48,000
and then

2990
01:54:52,709 --> 01:54:50,159
booz allen hamilton

2991
01:54:54,709 --> 01:54:52,719
made him a certain offer and suddenly

2992
01:54:55,669 --> 01:54:54,719
he's out there attacking me

2993
01:54:58,070 --> 01:54:55,679
so

2994
01:55:01,430 --> 01:54:58,080
the other part of this is that

2995
01:55:03,830 --> 01:55:01,440
it's a shakespearean level of people

2996
01:55:05,109 --> 01:55:03,840
doing this getting to a certain level if

2997
01:55:07,270 --> 01:55:05,119
they get bought off then they're going

2998
01:55:08,870 --> 01:55:07,280
to portray what we're trying to do even

2999
01:55:11,510 --> 01:55:08,880
though i was the guy who opened the door

3000
01:55:13,510 --> 01:55:11,520
for them on this information now that's

3001
01:55:15,990 --> 01:55:13,520
happened hundreds and hundreds of times

3002
01:55:18,310 --> 01:55:16,000
fine you know it's human nature look i

3003
01:55:20,629 --> 01:55:18,320
mean back in 92

3004
01:55:22,310 --> 01:55:20,639
i had a click of people including the

3005
01:55:25,350 --> 01:55:22,320
head of army intelligence offered me two

3006
01:55:28,229 --> 01:55:25,360
billion dollars to shut up

3007
01:55:31,030 --> 01:55:28,239
how am i 2 billion 2 billion

3008
01:55:32,950 --> 01:55:31,040
hey everybody's got their price dr greer

3009
01:55:35,030 --> 01:55:32,960
and i think right they don't

3010
01:55:37,189 --> 01:55:35,040
right there too no i'm kidding i could

3011
01:55:38,950 --> 01:55:37,199
care less i don't but that's true yeah

3012
01:55:40,310 --> 01:55:38,960
and actually when i said that's a good

3013
01:55:42,229 --> 01:55:40,320
number um

3014
01:55:43,830 --> 01:55:42,239
i said when i told him no thanks he went

3015
01:55:46,149 --> 01:55:43,840
to my wife and tried to convince her to

3016
01:55:47,990 --> 01:55:46,159
convince me and that happened with

3017
01:55:50,629 --> 01:55:48,000
astronaut brian o'leary i was we were at

3018
01:55:52,870 --> 01:55:50,639
the saint malos retreat near estes park

3019
01:55:54,950 --> 01:55:52,880
colorado and we were organizing a

3020
01:55:57,830 --> 01:55:54,960
conference for ufo researchers around

3021
01:56:00,390 --> 01:55:57,840
the world and this was in may of 92

3022
01:56:02,790 --> 01:56:00,400
and it was a serious offer and an offer

3023
01:56:05,030 --> 01:56:02,800
of a like a board level seat on this

3024
01:56:06,550 --> 01:56:05,040
committee because they knew

3025
01:56:08,950 --> 01:56:06,560
they didn't even i didn't have the

3026
01:56:11,990 --> 01:56:08,960
concept of disclosure in 92 but they

3027
01:56:13,510 --> 01:56:12,000
knew we had started the ce5 initiative

3028
01:56:14,470 --> 01:56:13,520
where people were going out making

3029
01:56:16,550 --> 01:56:14,480
contact

3030
01:56:18,870 --> 01:56:16,560
this is the wild card

3031
01:56:21,270 --> 01:56:18,880
he went he went to your wife if you

3032
01:56:23,990 --> 01:56:21,280
didn't shut him down i that the last

3033
01:56:25,750 --> 01:56:24,000
person he needed to go to was your wife

3034
01:56:29,030 --> 01:56:25,760
because that was the uh that was the

3035
01:56:30,950 --> 01:56:29,040
imperial shutdown i'm sure um oh i

3036
01:56:32,950 --> 01:56:30,960
wonder if she actually she actually

3037
01:56:35,910 --> 01:56:32,960
didn't know what to think um

3038
01:56:37,750 --> 01:56:35,920
but you know i i'm just saying that look

3039
01:56:39,350 --> 01:56:37,760
if if i wanted to take a buyout i would

3040
01:56:41,189 --> 01:56:39,360
have taken it and gotten the 2 billion

3041
01:56:44,070 --> 01:56:41,199
dollars in 92.

3042
01:56:47,030 --> 01:56:44,080
the um the difference between this

3043
01:56:50,149 --> 01:56:47,040
document leak and other documents like

3044
01:56:51,990 --> 01:56:50,159
serpo or mj12 and all of that stuff is

3045
01:56:54,870 --> 01:56:52,000
that all of the players here except for

3046
01:56:57,910 --> 01:56:54,880
edgar mitchell are still with us

3047
01:57:00,310 --> 01:56:57,920
and that changes the dynamic on on this

3048
01:57:03,510 --> 01:57:00,320
document uh unlike anything else that

3049
01:57:06,310 --> 01:57:03,520
has come before don't you think

3050
01:57:09,270 --> 01:57:06,320
yeah i think it does and because it's

3051
01:57:11,750 --> 01:57:09,280
confirmatory to something that

3052
01:57:13,830 --> 01:57:11,760
most people even inside government

3053
01:57:16,070 --> 01:57:13,840
couldn't believe would be possible

3054
01:57:18,950 --> 01:57:16,080
um that's why it's so important this

3055
01:57:20,790 --> 01:57:18,960
whole level of usaps and unacknowledged

3056
01:57:22,470 --> 01:57:20,800
special access projects where someone of

3057
01:57:24,390 --> 01:57:22,480
this stature you know the man that i

3058
01:57:26,550 --> 01:57:24,400
recently met with from the technology

3059
01:57:29,189 --> 01:57:26,560
management office uh in the sub-basement

3060
01:57:31,830 --> 01:57:29,199
of the pentagon he had his whole career

3061
01:57:34,229 --> 01:57:31,840
had been in the in the army he retired

3062
01:57:37,030 --> 01:57:34,239
after a career then was hired as a

3063
01:57:39,189 --> 01:57:37,040
civilian and got pulled into this usap

3064
01:57:41,350 --> 01:57:39,199
he said that his entire career he had

3065
01:57:43,189 --> 01:57:41,360
never heard of an unacknowledged special

3066
01:57:45,430 --> 01:57:43,199
access project he had been involved in

3067
01:57:47,430 --> 01:57:45,440
plenty of saps special access projects

3068
01:57:50,070 --> 01:57:47,440
but never he didn't even know the

3069
01:57:52,550 --> 01:57:50,080
concept of a usap and he had spent his

3070
01:57:54,390 --> 01:57:52,560
entire career so one of the things i

3071
01:57:56,950 --> 01:57:54,400
think is wonderful about this is that he

3072
01:57:58,629 --> 01:57:56,960
specifically refers to usap's

3073
01:58:01,830 --> 01:57:58,639
unacknowledged special how they're

3074
01:58:04,470 --> 01:58:01,840
buried within and covered up by other

3075
01:58:06,870 --> 01:58:04,480
special access projects and that he was

3076
01:58:08,629 --> 01:58:06,880
denied access and the kinds of other

3077
01:58:10,470 --> 01:58:08,639
people who should have had oversight

3078
01:58:12,550 --> 01:58:10,480
denied access like general patrick

3079
01:58:15,589 --> 01:58:12,560
hughes that is

3080
01:58:17,990 --> 01:58:15,599
honestly and dolin is correct explosive

3081
01:58:20,950 --> 01:58:18,000
yeah and there was one other thing i

3082
01:58:23,510 --> 01:58:20,960
know that we ran past here so uh and i

3083
01:58:27,270 --> 01:58:23,520
know it's late on the east coast but uh

3084
01:58:29,189 --> 01:58:27,280
i want uh it brings up one point that i

3085
01:58:31,189 --> 01:58:29,199
thought was very interesting which was

3086
01:58:33,669 --> 01:58:31,199
he was talking about a yearly budget and

3087
01:58:35,750 --> 01:58:33,679
there was no tracking of it it was a

3088
01:58:38,470 --> 01:58:35,760
cumulative budget

3089
01:58:41,430 --> 01:58:38,480
we only know what has overall been spent

3090
01:58:44,070 --> 01:58:41,440
on these programs but we have no idea

3091
01:58:46,390 --> 01:58:44,080
and i can't get access to what the

3092
01:58:48,310 --> 01:58:46,400
budgets are on these use apps and that

3093
01:58:50,310 --> 01:58:48,320
was a pretty revealing i'd never heard

3094
01:58:51,910 --> 01:58:50,320
that before

3095
01:58:54,790 --> 01:58:51,920
yeah that's something else that i've

3096
01:58:57,830 --> 01:58:54,800
actually spoken about extensively and

3097
01:59:00,070 --> 01:58:57,840
how it is how these are covered within

3098
01:59:02,470 --> 01:59:00,080
other operations it's actually in our

3099
01:59:03,990 --> 01:59:02,480
disclosure materials but we have so many

3100
01:59:05,990 --> 01:59:04,000
much material a lot of people you know

3101
01:59:08,070 --> 01:59:06,000
don't throw down on the the this kind of

3102
01:59:09,589 --> 01:59:08,080
detail but yes and that is how we're

3103
01:59:12,470 --> 01:59:09,599
talking trillions and trillions of

3104
01:59:14,550 --> 01:59:12,480
dollars don't forget the day before 9 11

3105
01:59:17,510 --> 01:59:14,560
secretary defense runs well him himself

3106
01:59:19,669 --> 01:59:17,520
said that there were 2.3 trillion

3107
01:59:22,950 --> 01:59:19,679
dollars unaccounted for in the

3108
01:59:24,229 --> 01:59:22,960
department of defense spending trillions

3109
01:59:26,790 --> 01:59:24,239
look at that

3110
01:59:27,430 --> 01:59:26,800
all right now imagine now this is this

3111
01:59:31,830 --> 01:59:27,440
is

3112
01:59:34,310 --> 01:59:31,840
it's more like probably eight trillion

3113
01:59:36,310 --> 01:59:34,320
nobody really knows but we're talking an

3114
01:59:39,830 --> 01:59:36,320
enormous amount

3115
01:59:41,589 --> 01:59:39,840
of of spending because uh

3116
01:59:43,589 --> 01:59:41,599
and and one of the things that that like

3117
01:59:46,310 --> 01:59:43,599
this gentleman who recently surfaced

3118
01:59:48,390 --> 01:59:46,320
from the technology map he said if not

3119
01:59:50,109 --> 01:59:48,400
only is suspending beyond what you can

3120
01:59:52,629 --> 01:59:50,119
imagine but

3121
01:59:55,109 --> 01:59:52,639
technologies we have that are fully

3122
01:59:57,030 --> 01:59:55,119
operational are beyond your wildest

3123
01:59:58,390 --> 01:59:57,040
imagination and he saw them i said yes

3124
02:00:01,430 --> 01:59:58,400
i'm aware of that i became aware of them

3125
02:00:03,669 --> 02:00:01,440
in the in the mid 90s and early 90s and

3126
02:00:05,430 --> 02:00:03,679
he said that if the public knew it they

3127
02:00:07,990 --> 02:00:05,440
couldn't even begin to wrap their mind

3128
02:00:09,589 --> 02:00:08,000
around it so that's why i have to laugh

3129
02:00:11,109 --> 02:00:09,599
when there are people

3130
02:00:12,709 --> 02:00:11,119
i don't care if they're with ptsa or who

3131
02:00:14,229 --> 02:00:12,719
they are they say well we really don't

3132
02:00:16,149 --> 02:00:14,239
know how these work we need to start

3133
02:00:17,910 --> 02:00:16,159
studying this don't you think and i'm

3134
02:00:19,510 --> 02:00:17,920
going yeah right you know after

3135
02:00:21,589 --> 02:00:19,520
trillions of dollars we have all this

3136
02:00:24,229 --> 02:00:21,599
stuff that's operational but it's in a

3137
02:00:25,750 --> 02:00:24,239
usap and it's covered and hidden

3138
02:00:27,109 --> 02:00:25,760
i mean look if if the head of

3139
02:00:29,350 --> 02:00:27,119
intelligence for the joint staff

3140
02:00:31,669 --> 02:00:29,360
couldn't crack into there and get

3141
02:00:33,910 --> 02:00:31,679
fully briefed on it what makes people

3142
02:00:35,990 --> 02:00:33,920
think they're going to do a foia request

3143
02:00:38,229 --> 02:00:36,000
a freedom of information act request and

3144
02:00:41,189 --> 02:00:38,239
get anything the foia officer isn't

3145
02:00:43,910 --> 02:00:41,199
clear to a usap and the department of

3146
02:00:46,550 --> 02:00:43,920
justice if they tried to bring lawsuits

3147
02:00:48,790 --> 02:00:46,560
they're specifically blocked because the

3148
02:00:50,870 --> 02:00:48,800
usaps would just say

3149
02:00:52,550 --> 02:00:50,880
this project doesn't exist and you can't

3150
02:00:55,030 --> 02:00:52,560
get any actionable

3151
02:00:56,470 --> 02:00:55,040
evidence or even do discovery

3152
02:00:58,229 --> 02:00:56,480
well i know this because this is the

3153
02:00:59,830 --> 02:00:58,239
case that recently happened where they

3154
02:01:02,310 --> 02:00:59,840
were trying to court martial and then

3155
02:01:04,070 --> 02:01:02,320
prosecute a three-star general who had

3156
02:01:06,149 --> 02:01:04,080
violated security

3157
02:01:07,750 --> 02:01:06,159
and uh the department of justice tried

3158
02:01:09,270 --> 02:01:07,760
to pursue it they couldn't because the

3159
02:01:11,510 --> 02:01:09,280
youth said

3160
02:01:13,750 --> 02:01:11,520
well we you you can't get access to

3161
02:01:16,149 --> 02:01:13,760
anything to proceed with this case

3162
02:01:18,149 --> 02:01:16,159
so this is where the rule of law breaks

3163
02:01:19,990 --> 02:01:18,159
down very quickly

3164
02:01:24,070 --> 02:01:20,000
i want to close with this i want to

3165
02:01:27,109 --> 02:01:24,080
swing back to the new film the ce5 film

3166
02:01:29,030 --> 02:01:27,119
um i know i want you to make a promise

3167
02:01:31,910 --> 02:01:29,040
to me right now

3168
02:01:33,990 --> 02:01:31,920
i know and i've seen some of your

3169
02:01:36,709 --> 02:01:34,000
private stock footage

3170
02:01:39,830 --> 02:01:36,719
i know that you have you are sitting on

3171
02:01:42,070 --> 02:01:39,840
the most incredible ce5 footage that the

3172
02:01:44,870 --> 02:01:42,080
public has not seen

3173
02:01:46,470 --> 02:01:44,880
are we gonna see the good stuff

3174
02:01:48,550 --> 02:01:46,480
in this film you're gonna see all of it

3175
02:01:49,430 --> 02:01:48,560
yeah it's gonna blow your mind actually

3176
02:01:51,030 --> 02:01:49,440
um

3177
02:01:53,189 --> 02:01:51,040
up to and including you know there's a

3178
02:01:55,589 --> 02:01:53,199
beautiful story that happened

3179
02:01:57,669 --> 02:01:55,599
last couple years we were up in arizona

3180
02:01:59,510 --> 02:01:57,679
and there was this older man that had

3181
02:02:02,550 --> 02:01:59,520
had a permanent hearing loss since he

3182
02:02:04,950 --> 02:02:02,560
was a teenager had hearing aids and he

3183
02:02:07,589 --> 02:02:04,960
had this contact with this e.t was sort

3184
02:02:09,189 --> 02:02:07,599
of a triangular-shaped head

3185
02:02:10,070 --> 02:02:09,199
large

3186
02:02:12,709 --> 02:02:10,080
and

3187
02:02:15,430 --> 02:02:12,719
the e.t healed him of his permanent

3188
02:02:17,910 --> 02:02:15,440
hearing loss and we got a photograph of

3189
02:02:19,750 --> 02:02:17,920
the et standing beside this man and next

3190
02:02:22,390 --> 02:02:19,760
to another member of our team while

3191
02:02:24,390 --> 02:02:22,400
we're in circle is astonishing beautiful

3192
02:02:26,790 --> 02:02:24,400
story all this is going to be in this

3193
02:02:30,950 --> 02:02:26,800
movie looking forward to it and

3194
02:02:33,589 --> 02:02:30,960
everybody the website is ceifilm.com

3195
02:02:35,830 --> 02:02:33,599
the links are at jimmychurchradio.com go

3196
02:02:37,669 --> 02:02:35,840
and visit the site uh everything is

3197
02:02:39,990 --> 02:02:37,679
there for you not only to help out with

3198
02:02:42,229 --> 02:02:40,000
the film but to learn what the film is

3199
02:02:44,790 --> 02:02:42,239
uh is going to be about this next time

3200
02:02:47,109 --> 02:02:44,800
around dr greer thank you so much uh

3201
02:02:48,790 --> 02:02:47,119
very open and candid conversation the

3202
02:02:51,030 --> 02:02:48,800
premiere my friend you can come to the

3203
02:02:53,910 --> 02:02:51,040
premiere be fun you know what i'm gonna

3204
02:02:55,669 --> 02:02:53,920
interview you again

3205
02:02:57,430 --> 02:02:55,679
at the premiere at the red carpet that

3206
02:03:00,070 --> 02:02:57,440
was fun last time

3207
02:03:01,750 --> 02:03:00,080
it was fun thank you so much dr greer

3208
02:03:03,589 --> 02:03:01,760
and keep doing what you're doing man

3209
02:03:05,750 --> 02:03:03,599
don't change

3210
02:03:06,790 --> 02:03:05,760
thank you have a good night

3211
02:03:10,470 --> 02:03:06,800
good night

3212
02:03:13,669 --> 02:03:10,480
as everybody noticed uh dr greer and i

3213
02:03:16,310 --> 02:03:13,679
blew straight through a network

3214
02:03:19,510 --> 02:03:16,320
commercial break i want to thank dr

3215
02:03:21,750 --> 02:03:19,520
greer for allowing that to happen so i'm

3216
02:03:24,149 --> 02:03:21,760
going to get to that commercial break

3217
02:03:26,390 --> 02:03:24,159
right now this is fade to black i want

3218
02:03:28,870 --> 02:03:26,400
to thank dr stephen greer for a very

3219
02:03:30,790 --> 02:03:28,880
open and comprehensive conversation

3220
02:03:32,149 --> 02:03:30,800
tonight let me get this commercial break

3221
02:03:34,030 --> 02:03:32,159
out of the way gotta pay the bills i'm

3222
02:03:35,589 --> 02:03:34,040
your host jimmy church

3223
02:03:37,589 --> 02:03:35,599
ce5

3224
02:03:39,669 --> 02:03:37,599
film.com

3225
02:03:42,390 --> 02:03:39,679
is the link we've got it up there on

3226
02:03:43,990 --> 02:03:42,400
twitter and it's on jimmychurchradio.com

3227
02:03:46,240 --> 02:03:44,000
i'll be right back after this short